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Re: OpenPlotter

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Is the rpi rated for environments with high humidity? Shouldn't it be in a water resistant enclosure?

They’re surprisingly resilient actually.

I had one on my last boat (though in a space that was primarily air conditioned all the time. Had another on my balcony running a Marine Traffic AIS station for 6 years that was ‘weatherproofed’ with an unsealed ziploc bag. No issues.

Re: OpenPlotter

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My engineering sense says RPi isn’t a good choice here, there’s a lot of potential failures that could happen, from a corrupted sd card, to overheating, harsh environment, among others, an industrial mini PC with proper protection and resources as well would be far better.

> My engineering sense says RPi isn’t a good choice here, there’s a lot of potential failures that could happen

Amen to that.

I blame the YouTube influencers posting all the RPi content that would make you believe you can run the world on RPi. Some of the shit they post is truly dumb ... Ceph clusters on RPi ? Rather you than me !!!

I once experimented with Pi's just for a fun unimportant home-server project. I got sick and tired of all the dumb failure modes, even when I expressly went out and bought high quality industrial SD cards, went above and beyond to minimise SD card IO etc. And that was just the SD card issues.... Never again.

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My engineering sense says RPi isn’t a good choice here, there’s a lot of potential failures that could happen, from a corrupted sd card, to overheating, harsh environment, among others, an industrial mini PC with proper protection and resources as well would be far better.

They are heavily invested into using GPIO: https://openplotter.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_started... I wonder if industrial-strength RPi clones / variants exist. The demand is certainly there.

As I said in the other comment, there are already industrial PCs equipped with GPIO, and some models even include an integrated screen

SBCs are good in conditions where reliability is not the primary concern - scenarios where frequent restarts are needed, change sd card, room temperature etc.), but in a boat? I don’t know anything about marine conditions but having a malfunctioning in SD cards and overheating is not uncommon in robotics and especially in drones (where it’s harder to use full fledged PC), few times actually the SD card died midair, no crashes thankfully.

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HN crowd maybe doesn't appreciate it, but the marine sensor networking world, route plotting, and related tasks are an atrocious cesspool of overpriced, weirdly incompatible proprietary solutions. Regular people save literally tens of thousands of dollars per install by going open source in this space, and end up with superior toolkits.

And for anyone wondering about an opportunity to shake up the market just estimate TAM and you'll see quickly why boat stuff is priced at such a premium.

The number of people using things like Open plotter is even smaller, but still greatly appreciated by all!

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Signal K is an open source server / data format for marine electronics, often paired with OpenPlotter for building custom nav and monitoring systems with web standards (JSON, Websockets and HTTP).

http://signalk.org/

Has an excellent community of developers and hardware components.

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My engineering sense says RPi isn’t a good choice here, there’s a lot of potential failures that could happen, from a corrupted sd card, to overheating, harsh environment, among others, an industrial mini PC with proper protection and resources as well would be far better.

They are heavily invested into using GPIO: https://openplotter.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_started... I wonder if industrial-strength RPi clones / variants exist. The demand is certainly there.

OnLogic Factor.

Re: OpenPlotter

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My engineering sense says RPi isn’t a good choice here, there’s a lot of potential failures that could happen, from a corrupted sd card, to overheating, harsh environment, among others, an industrial mini PC with proper protection and resources as well would be far better.

I keep my rpi in a pelican case that I modified to include an opening port for the NMEA connection. It gets all its power/data from the single connection which has a mechanical connection as well.

I have over 5000 nautical miles logged (thanks to a very nifty influxdb integration as part of open plotter) using this set up since ~2021, and so far it’s held up better than I could have guessed. I keep a spare pi and sds on board but have never actually needed them. My use case is long distance races, mostly in sub tropics/temperate areas, and I’ve had limited exposure to really hot air temp (say 90F and up in the tropics which is where I could see SDs starting to fail)

Re: OpenPlotter

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My engineering sense says RPi isn’t a good choice here, there’s a lot of potential failures that could happen, from a corrupted sd card, to overheating, harsh environment, among others, an industrial mini PC with proper protection and resources as well would be far better.

> My engineering sense says RPi isn’t a good choice here, there’s a lot of potential failures that could happen Amen to that. I blame the YouTube influencers posting all the RPi content that would make you believe you can run the world on RPi. Some of the shit they post is truly dumb ... Ceph clusters on RPi ? Rather you than me !!! I once experimented with Pi's just for a fun unimportant home-server project. I got s…

This was precisely my experience too, and as someone who's got a plural of decades farting around with low level Linux, this was not a fun experience. I wonder how many people got jazzed about, then turned off of Linux because of such experiences?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking the same thing, but then realized they may be using the GPIO pins. Even then you could get away with a usb wired micro.

> then realized they may be using the GPIO pins A lot of industrial ones come with GPIO built in, some even follow the same rpi pinout.

Right, the rpi has the GPIO pins because they are a common feature on the microprocessors in the space.

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I have always wondered why, in the world of millionaires and billionaires and yachts, why plotters like these have such ancient ugly 80s graphics. There are literally decades of UI enhancements, both functional and cosmetic, that could modernize these things. Im talking about the elite of the elite who will spare no expense at bespoke designed watches, monogram clothes, cars, etc. So it always just boggles my mind wh…

In that class of boat, the owner is not the one operating it. Many times they literally wouldn’t even know how to start the engines much less interact with the ships systems.

Still, think 1M+ speed and luxury boats, etc.
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