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The true, dramatic story of Robert Downey Jr.'s 'Oppenheimer' villain

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Re: The true, dramatic story of Robert Downey Jr.'s 'Oppenheimer' villain

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Every picture I have seen indeed shows it was a bunch of shacks and hastily built buildings. I'm not for sure a tour of Los Alamos was necessary. An overhead shot might have worked.

That’s an expensive overhead shot unless it’s a model or cgi.

A lot of the entire military base in Arrival was CGI.

https://youtu.be/wxSPdZl5sYw

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The Barbie being an easier to watch movie than Oppenheimer is a take I didn't expect to see on HN. I'm pretty sure a lot of people on here were a lot more uncomfortable watching the Barbie movie than they were watching Oppenheimer. I suspect a lot of people even plain didn't see the Barbie movie because they were more comfortable watching a movie that skirts over criticising American fascism/authoritarianism of the 4…

Now America was fascist and authoritarian in the mid-post WWII era?? Are you guys competing for biggest contrarian or did I accidentally step into a neomarxist forum?

America wasn't fascist, it had fascism. For example in the form of McCarthyism. I don't support Marxism or Communism. I just think the ruthless persecution, group think powered selective reading of the constitution and bullying tactics of empowered individuals constitute to enough of the qualities to be labeled fascism.

If you've got a scale that goes from equal rights direct democracy on the left to dictatorial fascism on the right, then America was not quite fascist in the sense that they still had indirect partly represented democracy. But the way minorities, other-gendered, other-lifestyled and the politically deviant were denied representation and other basic rights it was definitely on the fascist side of the spectrum.

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Semi OT, but … wow. This is weird. As someone that never saw the movie, I didn’t know RDJ was in it. He wasn’t in the trailers I saw, at least not prominently: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uYPbbksJxIg and yet now, everyone is talking about his role therein.

Maybe you don't recognize him with all the makeup: https://youtu.be/uYPbbksJxIg?si=pk1SD4gnQTzxSlgI&t=161

So just that half second, deliberately makeup’d flash was him? Okay then I guess I can be expected for not thinking he’s in the movie.

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Now America was fascist and authoritarian in the mid-post WWII era?? Are you guys competing for biggest contrarian or did I accidentally step into a neomarxist forum?

America wasn't fascist, it had fascism. For example in the form of McCarthyism. I don't support Marxism or Communism. I just think the ruthless persecution, group think powered selective reading of the constitution and bullying tactics of empowered individuals constitute to enough of the qualities to be labeled fascism. If you've got a scale that goes from equal rights direct democracy on the left to dictatorial fasc…

I see what you mean and how that ties into Barbie, although this worldview is definitely rooted in neomarxist revisionism. But I don't have the time and energy to derail this any further so I'll leave it at that.

Re: The true, dramatic story of Robert Downey Jr.'s 'Oppenheimer' villain

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There’s a lot of bits in the Oppenheimer film that seem simplified. For example that Los Alamos appears to be a fairly small operation, a bunch of shacks in the prairie, a kind of physics camp for a team of nerds. In reality the Manhattan project at Los Alamos was a huge operation, like 8000 people living there in 1945, a kind of university/research campus and town, but the movie doesn’t really show the scale. Also,…

Listening to family members who grew up at Los Alamos during the period of the film talk about it, the film captures exactly what Los Alamos really looked like and felt like.

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I’m not convinced you can draw strong correlations between ticket sales and movie quality, or even movie popularity. DVDs, streaming, high definition TVs…there are a lot of technological improvements that have changed the way we consume media.

There's a really interesting poll (that was not so easy to dig up!) here. [1] It's from 2005, so still quite near peak movie, on why Americans aren't going to the movies. The interesting thing about the poll is, as you mentioned, the leading reason for people stated for why they aren't going to the movies anymore is they prefer to watch at home (33%). Yet when the identical question is asked in a slightly different w…

> back in 2005 when movies were still far from the rock bottom current era of spandex, sequels, and remakes!

Really? If anything, I’d say the frequency of remakes and sequels is going down from how I remember things back then.

The top movies in 2005 were Star Wars 3, a Harry Potter Sequel, a War of the Worlds remake, Charlie and the Chocolate factory remake. We also got spandex remakes of Batman Begins and Fantastic Four. Hardly some golden era of original storytelling

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There's a really interesting poll (that was not so easy to dig up!) here. [1] It's from 2005, so still quite near peak movie, on why Americans aren't going to the movies. The interesting thing about the poll is, as you mentioned, the leading reason for people stated for why they aren't going to the movies anymore is they prefer to watch at home (33%). Yet when the identical question is asked in a slightly different w…

> back in 2005 when movies were still far from the rock bottom current era of spandex, sequels, and remakes! Really? If anything, I’d say the frequency of remakes and sequels is going down from how I remember things back then. The top movies in 2005 were Star Wars 3, a Harry Potter Sequel, a War of the Worlds remake, Charlie and the Chocolate factory remake. We also got spandex remakes of Batman Begins and Fantastic…

Wiki has a nice little series of pages with releases that placed 1st during at least one weekend in a year. The pages aren't well designed and have only a nav button at the very buttom (beyond even the references), but you can also just change the year in the URL manually. Anyhow, it's definitely not how you remember it.

2005 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2005_box_office_number...

2023 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2023_box_office_number...

Although of course you are right. 2005 was not a great year for Hollywood, though it had some decent movies like Sin City, and comedy still hadn't been banned yet (Meet the Fockers, 40 Year-Old Virgin) - so that was cool. But contrasted against 2023 (and the contemporary era in general), it makes it look like the Golden Era of Hollywood.

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> back in 2005 when movies were still far from the rock bottom current era of spandex, sequels, and remakes! Really? If anything, I’d say the frequency of remakes and sequels is going down from how I remember things back then. The top movies in 2005 were Star Wars 3, a Harry Potter Sequel, a War of the Worlds remake, Charlie and the Chocolate factory remake. We also got spandex remakes of Batman Begins and Fantastic…

Wiki has a nice little series of pages with releases that placed 1st during at least one weekend in a year. The pages aren't well designed and have only a nav button at the very buttom (beyond even the references), but you can also just change the year in the URL manually. Anyhow, it's definitely not how you remember it. 2005 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2005_box_office_number... 2023 - https://en.wikipedi…

I don’t see it. For the highest grossing, three out of ten are original non-sequels if we are being generous in 2005, versus two of ten in 2023.

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Apple News version: https://apple.news/APfWbSPYiSvu_2wLUFFVc6Q

Why is Apple News relevant here? Has paywall as well

Probably because a lot of people have the Apple One subscription tier that gets you Apple News+.

Which gets you access to a lot of pay walled media.

So a direct link is useful to those that have Apple News+.

So that’s why, and I appreciate the Apple News link :-)

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Wiki has a nice little series of pages with releases that placed 1st during at least one weekend in a year. The pages aren't well designed and have only a nav button at the very buttom (beyond even the references), but you can also just change the year in the URL manually. Anyhow, it's definitely not how you remember it. 2005 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2005_box_office_number... 2023 - https://en.wikipedi…

I don’t see it. For the highest grossing, three out of ten are original non-sequels if we are being generous in 2005, versus two of ten in 2023.

It's certainly quite hard to see things when you close your eyes. You intentionally ignored the lists of movies I referenced to try to find one you could spin into being 'not so bad.' And even in your cherry picked sample, there's still a decline - substantially more so when once one factors in your quite creative counting.

Modern Hollywood has always found itself in ruts, as efforts at stable revenue generation gradually give way to creative decline. For instance in the 90s every film was a disaster film of ever deteriorating quality, but they eventually managed to pull themselves out of it before the decline hit too hard. But this rut they're stuck in today seems like it's become inextricable and will be their final resting place, until we gradually see China become the new Hollywood. Incidentally one of the 2 novel top grossing 'Hollywood' films of 2023 you referenced was Chinese! All we have left is Christopher Nolan, one of the few individuals in Hollywood still putting out decent films.

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