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Re: Light Table reaches funding goal of $200k

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Post by mattmanser »

tluyben2 wrote: post #59
vibrunazo wrote: post #10

I'm complete ignorant at programming languages. But I've seen this video a few times, and it still seem like each feature are things I already do every single day of my life as an Android developer. Live documentation, organizing your work around functions, watching values and expressions change on debug etc. These are all things I already do every day. So suppose lighttable adds support for Android development. How…

Hmm. I work with Eclipse a lot, but this is not just visual. Maybe I use something different but the way of organizing your methods on screen and the actual live coding I don't have in Eclipse. We're not talking 'debug' here; we're talking live coding. Did you check videos like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUWpze_A_s If you can do that with Eclipse & Android, please tell me how because then I have been stupid (wh…

http://www.twitch.tv/notch/b/314380336

That's the first video I found on that stream. Note that it's about 50 seconds in that he starts actually editing the code; he edits the slide friction before going up the slope. There's a better one of notch designing a dungeon game for some competition where he's writing the rendering code and it's changing as he does it.

That's eclipse right?

You can do the same in visual studio as well, just need to have 'edit and continue' enabled. It's one of these magic things that you either know about or don't, but generally if you're a web developer you'll never have needed it.

I'm not sure what you mean by We're not talking 'debug' here; as technically that's in debug mode when it's running at the same time as coding.

Functionally it seems no different to me. Notice how the 'draw player' function in the clojure example actually contains the variable for color, it's not a pre-initialized variable. I wonder whether storing and changing that elsewhere would have resulted in a colour change (logically I would guess no otherwise the game state would contantly reset).

Re: Light Table reaches funding goal of $200k

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Post by tluyben2 »

mattmanser wrote: post #61
tluyben2 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. I work with Eclipse a lot, but this is not just visual. Maybe I use something different but the way of organizing your methods on screen and the actual live coding I don't have in Eclipse. We're not talking 'debug' here; we're talking live coding. Did you check videos like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUWpze_A_s If you can do that with Eclipse & Android, please tell me how because then I have been stupid (wh…

http://www.twitch.tv/notch/b/314380336 That's the first video I found on that stream. Note that it's about 50 seconds in that he starts actually editing the code; he edits the slide friction before going up the slope. There's a better one of notch designing a dungeon game for some competition where he's writing the rendering code and it's changing as he does it. That's eclipse right? You can do the same in visual stu…

Cool. Yeah I use that and it's interesting how I didn't connect that to light table at all. Must be the bling, but yes, it's the same thing. I guess it's because, like you said, I usually do web dev in Java and don't really need it. In Javascript on the other hand, it would be very welcome (Firebug like stuff but then in IDE). Thanks for the insight. Light table is still an interesting experiment besides anything else.

Re: Light Table reaches funding goal of $200k

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Post by DannoHung »

jakejake wrote: post #52
vibrunazo wrote: post #10

I'm complete ignorant at programming languages. But I've seen this video a few times, and it still seem like each feature are things I already do every single day of my life as an Android developer. Live documentation, organizing your work around functions, watching values and expressions change on debug etc. These are all things I already do every day. So suppose lighttable adds support for Android development. How…

I see here a possible cyclic thing happening with development environments. I've watched a lot of friends abandon IDEs in favor of more lean setup like textmate, or going the direction of emacs. Lighttable strikes me as a possible move back towards a full IDE environment. A lot of the things shown here are already available on Eclipse but it's presented here with a much cleaner visual design. The one thing Eclipse do…

I hope LightTable has really good keyboard based controls. The reason I prefer terminal environments more is just being able to not have to constantly mode switch between keyboarding and mouse pointer.

Re: Light Table reaches funding goal of $200k

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Post by DannoHung »

julian37 wrote: post #25
ibdknox wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm inclined to agree. You cannot beat Vim and Emacs as editors... the key is to play a game they can't. I mean to show some examples of that with the next demo :)

Maybe I'm misreading your reply, but I think you might have misunderstood gits1225's comment. What (s)he was saying is that it would be great if your system would be open so that it could (eventually) be integrated into existing editors. Your reply, on the other hand, talks about "beating" these editors--to me that doesn't sound like you're interested in interoperability. For what it's worth, I wholeheartedly agree w…

Yup yup yup! Respect the $EDITOR if possible please!

Maybe do something like use Ctrl-B as a way to issue keyboard commands to Light Table or break out of an editor window.

Re: Light Table reaches funding goal of $200k

#65

Post by puredanger »

adgar wrote: post #53
endlessvoid94 wrote: post #3

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Can't wait. Keep up the good work and when the inevitable criticism comes, ignore the haters.

> when the inevitable criticism comes, ignore the haters What if the criticism is correct?

He didn't say to ignore the criticism, just ignore the haters. ;)

Re: Light Table reaches funding goal of $200k

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Post by mattmanser »

tluyben2 wrote: post #62
mattmanser wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.twitch.tv/notch/b/314380336 That's the first video I found on that stream. Note that it's about 50 seconds in that he starts actually editing the code; he edits the slide friction before going up the slope. There's a better one of notch designing a dungeon game for some competition where he's writing the rendering code and it's changing as he does it. That's eclipse right? You can do the same in visual stu…

Cool. Yeah I use that and it's interesting how I didn't connect that to light table at all. Must be the bling, but yes, it's the same thing. I guess it's because, like you said, I usually do web dev in Java and don't really need it. In Javascript on the other hand, it would be very welcome (Firebug like stuff but then in IDE). Thanks for the insight. Light table is still an interesting experiment besides anything els…

I like light table and all that, seems a good idea as IDEs are too heavy but for me:

1. I don't need the docs all the time as I've already got that given I use a statically typed language 80% of the time and IDEs actually already do that

2. Most of that other stuff is already available in Eclipse and Visual Studio

So for me it's mostly shrugs what are you all so impressed by?

Re: Light Table reaches funding goal of $200k

#67

Post by jakejake »

DannoHung wrote: post #63
jakejake wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see here a possible cyclic thing happening with development environments. I've watched a lot of friends abandon IDEs in favor of more lean setup like textmate, or going the direction of emacs. Lighttable strikes me as a possible move back towards a full IDE environment. A lot of the things shown here are already available on Eclipse but it's presented here with a much cleaner visual design. The one thing Eclipse do…

I hope LightTable has really good keyboard based controls. The reason I prefer terminal environments more is just being able to not have to constantly mode switch between keyboarding and mouse pointer.

It seems to be based on http://codemirror.net/ so you could probably check that out and see the keyboard support. I wonder if the final product will be a browser-based editor as well..?
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