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Humanity Is Dangerously Pushing Its Ability to Tolerate Heat

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Re: Humanity Is Dangerously Pushing Its Ability to Tolerate Heat

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A friend of mine who lives in Queensland (Sunshine Coast) was talking about a recent spell of 32° and 100% humidity and how oppressive it was. My understanding is that such weather is not survivable long term [1] without air conditioning. A power failure would be disastrous. [1] https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/humans-cant-endure-t...

It is scary - but I suspect the headline temperatures/humidity aren't the only story. We can build passive structures to regulate peak temperatures - caves and windowless insulated boxes with high thermal mass, for instance. As long as the average temperatures (day and night) over a few days or a week are survivable, active cooling isn't strictly necessary.

Generally areas of high humidity have low diurnal variation (its just as hot and wet at night as it is during the day), so unless you have A/C or similar, insulation/thermal mass will not do much as the heat and humidity will find its way in over time.

Its hot-dry climates where it gets cool overnight where thermal mass is most important (the thermal mass warms up during the day and radiates heat at night, when outside cools down).

In hot-wet climates, if you want passive comfort, your best bet is to make a big roof and then encourage cross-ventilation so the wind provides some cooling.

Re: Humanity Is Dangerously Pushing Its Ability to Tolerate Heat

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A friend of mine who lives in Queensland (Sunshine Coast) was talking about a recent spell of 32° and 100% humidity and how oppressive it was. My understanding is that such weather is not survivable long term [1] without air conditioning. A power failure would be disastrous. [1] https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/humans-cant-endure-t...

This is the plot of the Ministry for the Future [0]. Power failure during a prolonged wet bulb temperature above 35°C, millions of dead.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future

Re: Humanity Is Dangerously Pushing Its Ability to Tolerate Heat

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This is why I think we should be seriously considering atmospheric aerosol injection already. Not sure why there aren't more large government funded studies of this.

Who should pay for it? No one really wants to spend money on something like that. People don't want to spend 0.1% of GDP to help survive people in Ukraine and you think they care how hot is there for the people of Australia?

Don't we collaborate on things like LHC, ITER, international space-station etc?

Re: Humanity Is Dangerously Pushing Its Ability to Tolerate Heat

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post #22

A friend of mine who lives in Queensland (Sunshine Coast) was talking about a recent spell of 32° and 100% humidity and how oppressive it was. My understanding is that such weather is not survivable long term [1] without air conditioning. A power failure would be disastrous. [1] https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/humans-cant-endure-t...

This is the plot of the Ministry for the Future [0]. Power failure during a prolonged wet bulb temperature above 35°C, millions of dead. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future

Also. Termination Shock, Stephenson.

In Texas there was AC failures, and people needed Earth Suits (like a space suit with air conditioning) to survive.

Re: Humanity Is Dangerously Pushing Its Ability to Tolerate Heat

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This is why I think we should be seriously considering atmospheric aerosol injection already. Not sure why there aren't more large government funded studies of this.

I believe this was the plot of the movie Snowpiercer.

I would be a bit worried about accidental side effects; atmospheric alteration on a large scale seems like a dangerous game.

Re: Humanity Is Dangerously Pushing Its Ability to Tolerate Heat

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is scary - but I suspect the headline temperatures/humidity aren't the only story. We can build passive structures to regulate peak temperatures - caves and windowless insulated boxes with high thermal mass, for instance. As long as the average temperatures (day and night) over a few days or a week are survivable, active cooling isn't strictly necessary.

> We can build passive structures to regulate peak temperatures - caves and windowless insulated boxes with high thermal mass, for instance. As long as the average temperatures (day and night) over a few days or a week are survivable, active cooling isn't strictly necessary. Survival is a consolation, but if we need to start living in caves and windowless insulated boxes, then those are not very reassuring news...

But we managed to deliver a lot of value to shareholders before then.

Re: Humanity Is Dangerously Pushing Its Ability to Tolerate Heat

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This is why I think we should be seriously considering atmospheric aerosol injection already. Not sure why there aren't more large government funded studies of this.

Who should pay for it? No one really wants to spend money on something like that. People don't want to spend 0.1% of GDP to help survive people in Ukraine and you think they care how hot is there for the people of Australia?

Aerosol injection is not very expensive.

Re: Humanity Is Dangerously Pushing Its Ability to Tolerate Heat

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A friend of mine who lives in Queensland (Sunshine Coast) was talking about a recent spell of 32° and 100% humidity and how oppressive it was. My understanding is that such weather is not survivable long term [1] without air conditioning. A power failure would be disastrous. [1] https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/humans-cant-endure-t...

That's a typical summer night in NYC. We did not have AC one summer, it was VERY unpleasant. I couldn't sleep, but - probably not fatal if you chug tons of water.
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