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Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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I agree with everything you're saying here Also, in reading your post I noticed a normal human tendency that makes me wonder if hiring by interview doesn't inevitably introduce a small but pervasive organizational tendency toward a brittle culture Notice that when describing your notion of alignment, you say you look for candidates who "do things like [you] do." I think that's insightful, true across interviewers, an…

I think humans having their own culture and ultimately worldview is just a fact of life and the best that we can do is to learn to coexist and work with each other. But we don’t have to work side by side for 40 hours a week. Why make both of us miserable? And to your scenario, I personally too believe a culture of opposing voices is the best culture, but ourselves thinking that is… itself a worldview, making us a par…

I think it's worth making a distinction between values and methods in many contexts, including here. Alignment enabling collaboration across value systems or sometimes even priorities can be much harder to achieve, and some would say undesirable depending on the context

For example, I've met a whole spectrum of viewpoints framed in reaction to the severe and growing housing crisis (esp. in the SF bay area) on this very website, some of which I could see acting as a strong filter on whether I would want to collaborate with someone

Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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I'd rather work with a slightly less qualified person who has a positive attitude than an overqualified person with a terrible attitude. The second type might write great code, but is energy draining for the whole team.

That's a false dichotomy. There are plenty of people who are emotionally-developed professionals.

I never said it was either-or.

Some people are super competent and have a great attitude while others can be below average and make everyone around them miserable. I’ve seen every combination.

Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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I'm so jaded and bitter about the industry, this article triggered me a bit, but the advice is generally in the right direction.

> During the final five minutes, when candidates can ask questions, Chen posed as many as he could fit in (I let the interview run over).

I'm probably making a big deal out of a few words here, but how much enthusiasm am I really suppose to have towards a company and culture where I'm generously allowed (/s) to ask questions during the final 5 minutes?

> In training new bar-raisers at Amazon

I don't know who this "bar-raiser" term applies to, hopefully everyone? Everyone wants to be a bar-raiser, but I bet most of them are trying to raise the bar in ways that are important to them but not valued by the company. How much enthusiasm am I suppose to have for a company that doesn't value the things I do? Yet when I accept that my bar-raising efforts are not appreciated by the company and instead try to just work for a paycheck and nothing more, then I have the attitude problems the article warns against.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Chen was a new developer? I was enthusiastic like Chen once, but 20 years in the industry ruined me, and it will ruin Chen too I bet.

A true piece of advice here is that the most important thing you can do in an interview is make the interviewers like you. Chen lacked the required skilled, everyone "agreed that he missed the technical bar across the board", but they offered him the job. Why? Because they liked him. Making the interviewers like you is the most important thing you can do.

Being naively enthusiastic and subservient to power is a way to do this. Consider faking it if you really need the job.

I also suggest thinking out loud through any technical discussions or problems you work on. Imagine a good Twitch streamer playing a video game you've played before, you know how to solve the problems, and it's quite enjoyable watching someone else work though the same problem again, especially if they are vocal about it in an engaging way. The interviewers know the problems, and they enjoy watching other people work though the problems that they already know how to solve. It's more fun for the person doing the interview too; lower the tension, get a conversation flowing, show that you can collaborate on problems well, that's more important that stoically solving the problem in silence.

Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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Not sure of this is the right comparison but I once saw a presentation about high performing teams which were compared to top league sports teams. In this regard of course you don't want a jerk that ruins the whole team but you definitely want someone who can actively help you winning and that's usually mostly done by technical skills. In my mind I still hope that the "game" is about programming and not politics.

Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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I'd rather work with a slightly less qualified person who has a positive attitude than an overqualified person with a terrible attitude. The second type might write great code, but is energy draining for the whole team.

You sound like a manager. As an IC I'd much rather work with someone who's a little difficult but actually contributes, and the fake positivity that I often see from people in HR-adjacent roles/glorified paper pushers who don't have much actual work to do is really annoying.

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Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather work with a slightly less qualified person who has a positive attitude than an overqualified person with a terrible attitude. The second type might write great code, but is energy draining for the whole team.

You sound like a manager. As an IC I'd much rather work with someone who's a little difficult but actually contributes, and the fake positivity that I often see from people in HR-adjacent roles/glorified paper pushers who don't have much actual work to do is really annoying.

Well, of course some minimal technical competence is a requirement.

I’m just saying that an unnecessarily negative attitude is more damaging to a group than one below average contributor.

Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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It is definitely an attitude thing. However, you shouldn’t be focusing on improving your soft skills so much as it’s improving your mindset, and then the soft skills will just flow like hot butter. This is what I tell my friends: Don’t see interviews as an adversarial thing. At the end of the day, your mindset should be: * The company is looking for someone to do a specific job * You have a unique set of skills and y…

I agree with everything you're saying here Also, in reading your post I noticed a normal human tendency that makes me wonder if hiring by interview doesn't inevitably introduce a small but pervasive organizational tendency toward a brittle culture Notice that when describing your notion of alignment, you say you look for candidates who "do things like [you] do." I think that's insightful, true across interviewers, an…

You're clearly correct. If you look at almost any organization, the people that move up are the ones that are most like the people already at the top. The hiring process at most companies STRONGLY incentivizes hiring people who are near clones of the people doing the hiring.

The people hiring almost always assume an air of "I am the ruler by which all things are measured" and since I represent the prototype of a perfect and desirable employee, I would expect someone I hire to have very similar properties.

It's human nature. It's also why, if you don't look, behave, and share a lot of commonalities with the upper executives, you will likely never get invited to be an upper executive. And make no mistake, the upper level is a club, and they are really choosing the people they want to be in the club.

Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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As if today's excessively interview-ritual-prepped people needed to be told more things to fake.

I suspect most big-tech hiring realizes this, but mostly they just want large numbers of disposable interchangeable worker drones, and they have theories/evidence suggesting they should select for candidates who demonstrate willingness to contort themselves to whatever prepped interview rituals the company demands.

I've given up on the increasingly dysfunctional/dystopic big-tech, so will probably have to found a startup, and sadly filter out any candidates who present like they're trying to pass a BS-tech interview.

Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You sound like a manager. As an IC I'd much rather work with someone who's a little difficult but actually contributes, and the fake positivity that I often see from people in HR-adjacent roles/glorified paper pushers who don't have much actual work to do is really annoying.

Well, of course some minimal technical competence is a requirement. I’m just saying that an unnecessarily negative attitude is more damaging to a group than one below average contributor.

that's hilarious...a grumpy senior engineer who has been in the trenches and is usually the kind of person that gets hard problems out the door is "damaging" but toxic managers who screw their team with a smile is normal or expected.

I realize you didn't say that exactly, but this is what the tone of OPs article is. IF you are a lowly IC, no matter how skilled, you must be the good subservient. The King demands a cheery disposition.

But the King is allowed to behave in any way he chooses. Capriciously firing people. Yelling, demanding, berating, snap judgements, etc...

Re: Technical Skills Are Overrated. Focus on Your Attitude

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I don't agree - it's about equal A certain level of soft skills and attitude is required to function as a member of a team. A certain level of technical skills is required to do the job. Both have a minimum bar to clear and you shouldn't hire an asshole genius just like you shouldn't inept social butterfly or whatever the genius equivalent is for soft skills. Once the bar is cleared you look at being better than requ…

The author didn’t say the aren’t equal, at least, just technical is overrated. And I’d tend to agree. We historical weigh technical skills at like 95% of the assessment. It probably should be more like 60% and as we’ve moved in that direction we’ve had much better hires.

You've summarized it nicely :)
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