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Re: Monodraw

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Post by cachvico »

milen wrote: post #17
joshlemer wrote: post #5

This went into "maintenance mode" in 2018, has anything changed? https://blog.helftone.com/monodraw-maintenance-mode/

Developer of Monodraw here. Thank you all for the kind words regarding the app. Unfortunately, my time is extremely limited which is why I haven’t had the chance to push more updates out. I’ve got a few highly requested features in the works but I cannot promise when they’ll see the light of day (I usually get to make progress during my holidays). I’m still committed to fixing any breakages due to OS upgrades and ens…

Hi - I'm not a user but I am reacting to obvious love many developers have for your app.

Have you thought about open-sourcing it?

Or even keeping it closed source but crowd-sourcing help?

No need for profit sharing - your income is a nominal management fee if that. Just need a nice credits page to give thanks to the names of the people who contributed.

Might work?

Re: Monodraw

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Post by junon »

simonjgreen wrote: post #165
Thorrez wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's the ◀ character. It looks like Chrome (I'm on Windows) makes it wider than other Characters. I think ▶ has this same problem. But from a quick scan, I don't see any other place in the file where one of those characters is used in a way that it being extra wide would be noticable.

Just observing, I think this is the first time I’ve seen Unicode symbols outside of basic Latin rendering on HN.

I've always wanted to try this but never had a reason: do emojis work on HN? I've never seen one and didn't know if it was just a culture thing or if it was enforced:

™

EDIT: Nope! All but the TM "emoji" got stripped.

Re: Monodraw

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Post by hn_acker »

andai wrote: post #127
milen wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve toyed with the idea of open sourcing the product. I reached the conclusion that it’s not the approach for two main reasons: - I believe in a strong, centralised product vision and execution - The code will be packaged up and sold by unscrupulous people who will not contribute back I’m a strong advocate of interoperability and open data formats. The Monodraw data format is not proprietary and I do have plans for…

> I believe in a strong, centralised product vision and execution Fair point! I'm reminded of this quote from Jaron Lanier: > Why are so many of the more sophisticated examples of code in the online world—like the page-rank algorithms in the top search engines or like Adobe’s Flash—the results of proprietary development? Why did the adored iPhone come out of what many regard as the most closed, tyrannically managed s…

Nitpick: Aseprite is source-available, not open source by the Open Source Initiative's definition. From the Aseprite EULA [1]:

> (g) Source code.

> You may only compile and modify the source code of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT for your own personal purpose or to propose a contribution to the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.

The OSI's definition of open source [2] permits distribution of unmodified and modified copies (with the exception of lone, unmodified copies; I read somewhere that adding a hello world program is a workaround):

> 1. Free Redistribution

> The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale.

...

> 3. Derived Works

> The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original software.

"free software" is ambiguous to English speakers/writers, but "open source" is ambiguous in its own way.

By the way, there is a "Fork of the last GPLv2 commit of Aseprite" called Libresprite [3].

[1] https://github.com/aseprite/aseprite/blob/main/EULA.txt

[2] https://opensource.org/osd

[3] https://github.com/LibreSprite/LibreSprite

Re: Monodraw

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Post by mbar84 »

smusamashah wrote: post #143

I maintain a list [1] of main web based text to diagram tools including ascii drawing tools like these. Web alternatives for this are probably https://fsymbols.com/draw/ or https://textik.com/ or https://asciiflow.com/#/ or https://web.archive.org/web/20210503172024/https://fatiherik... or https://app.monosketch.io [1]: https://xosh.org/text-to-diagram/

Perhaps something for your list:

https://mbarkhau.github.io/asciigrid

Re: Monodraw

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Post by nox101 »

smusamashah wrote: post #143

I maintain a list [1] of main web based text to diagram tools including ascii drawing tools like these. Web alternatives for this are probably https://fsymbols.com/draw/ or https://textik.com/ or https://asciiflow.com/#/ or https://web.archive.org/web/20210503172024/https://fatiherik... or https://app.monosketch.io [1]: https://xosh.org/text-to-diagram/

Thanks for this list. I find all of them are missing features that I would want for diagrams I hand made recently. Of the ones on this list only one seems to handle diagonals ( https://textik.com/ ) and that doesn't have a fill function AFAIK

The diagram I wanted to draw would be something like this https://pastebin.com/NPXFS1Fi

I created the box and triangle in textik.com but I had to manually edit a bunch of corners and manually fill it in.

I'm not sure I'd pay for Monodraw. Even though it's only $10 is a native app and Mac only. I do so much on the web and use so many machines and draw diagrams only a few times a year that I think I'd prefer something web based or a VSCode plugin.

Re: Monodraw

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Post by 0898 »

joshstrange wrote: post #176
0898 wrote: post #174

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Which one is the dumb one? Because that's probably the one I'm doing.

Here is an example of me using a code block in Wordpress but setting the max width: https://cs.joshstrange.com/r3pM1Vzs Here is how it looks rendered on desktop: https://cs.joshstrange.com/dvX5qKvf Here is how it looks on mobile (broken): https://cs.joshstrange.com/pHNdKLxH It will work if I set a `style="width: 1200px;"` on the ` ` tag (edit as html): https://cs.joshstrange.com/1zTrXZGM But then Wordpress is going t…

Thanks! This is really helpful - I’ll try this out soon.

Re: Monodraw

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Post by mixmastamyk »

samatman wrote: post #161
mixmastamyk wrote: post #77

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Anyone can write that a word no longer has its defined meaning. That can’t even be refuted, as it’s certain someone is confused somewhere. However, ASCII is not a random ancient word, it’s a ratified standard. Would be like calling any datetime format “ISO8601”.

Context is important, ya know? If we're talking about text encodings, that's one thing, but we're talking about drawing. "ASCII text" drawing was never entirely limited to ASCII even in the days of single-byte encodings. There were code pages which used the high bit for more useful drawing glyphs, people took advantage of that when they could. The concept of an extended ASCII encoding goes way back: https://en.wikipe…

Extended supersets of a thing are not the thing, they are a larger group.

Re: Monodraw

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Post by galaxyLogic »

jorts wrote: post #28
andai wrote: post #21

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And thanks to being proprietary, no one else can devote time to it, either.

It’s perfectly fine that it’s proprietary. Just because it exists doesn’t mean other people are entitled to the source code.

There's a cost to open-sourcing code. It takes effort. You must write documentation and clean up your code in many ways. It's good to "clean up code" of course but is that the most urgent thing on your task-list?

Who should pay for that effort? The original author? Yes if they think it's worth it and they can afford to spend the time on it.

There's also a risk whenever you publish source-code, someone might sue you for copyright infringement, or patent violation, etc.

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