Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
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Re: Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
#2First question - how do we tie this to Boeing? (A joke, of course)
Second, interesting to note planes don’t have deadman switches.
Re: Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
#3First question - how do we tie this to Boeing? (A joke, of course) Second, interesting to note planes don’t have deadman switches.
Unlike trains, there isn't one action that is basically always safe (stop the train). A dead man switch activating at the wrong time, could itself cause an accident.
Re: Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
#4First question - how do we tie this to Boeing? (A joke, of course) Second, interesting to note planes don’t have deadman switches.
Unlike trains, there isn't one action that is basically always safe (stop the train). A dead man switch activating at the wrong time, could itself cause an accident.
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Re: Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
#5First question - how do we tie this to Boeing? (A joke, of course) Second, interesting to note planes don’t have deadman switches.
Following flight plan and ensuring the plane doesn't crash is already a great deadman switch for a plane mid flight !
This[1] StackExchange thread does give some pointers as to why that may be.
[1] https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/81234/is-there-...
Re: Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
#6First question - how do we tie this to Boeing? (A joke, of course) Second, interesting to note planes don’t have deadman switches.
Unlike trains, there isn't one action that is basically always safe (stop the train). A dead man switch activating at the wrong time, could itself cause an accident.
It doesn't have to stop the plane, it could just trigger a cockpit alarm.
Re: Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
#7First question - how do we tie this to Boeing? (A joke, of course) Second, interesting to note planes don’t have deadman switches.
Easy:
* No wheels fell off (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/united-...)
* No doors departed the plane (https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/06/business/ntsb-boeing-alaska-d...)
* No anti-ice ignited the engines (https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers/faa-proposal-targets...)
* No gear failure (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39644341)
* No unintended pitch-down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Au...)
* Pilots well rested :)
Re: Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
#8First question - how do we tie this to Boeing? (A joke, of course) Second, interesting to note planes don’t have deadman switches.
Unlike trains, there isn't one action that is basically always safe (stop the train). A dead man switch activating at the wrong time, could itself cause an accident.
Some planes can land themselves now:
Re: Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
#9>The PIC advised the Jakarta ACC that BTK6723 experienced radio communication problem and currently the problem has been resolved.
Did they self report after or was there a review triggered somehow? Their excuse actually was pretty impressive honestly, almost like this has happened before.
Re: Both pilots of an A320 fell asleep in the cockpit for 28 minutes
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unlike trains, there isn't one action that is basically always safe (stop the train). A dead man switch activating at the wrong time, could itself cause an accident.
It doesn't have to stop the plane, it could just trigger a cockpit alarm.
Or alert air traffic control, and maybe they can send an alert into the cockpit. But there must be a way to raise an alarm.
My guess is basically nobody cares that much about this rare condition. It's much more likely the pilots are incapacitated rather than asleep, in which case the alarm is pointless.
But I guess it's not that rare:
- https://www.newsweek.com/pilots-boeing-737-both-doze-off-overshoot-airport-two-hour-flight-1735435
- https://jalopnik.com/tale-of-both-pilots-sleeping-during-flight-reminds-us-t-1849014190
- https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/pilots-sleep-cockpit-airline-safety/index.html
- https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24296544
- https://www.cbsnews.com/news/both-pilots-fall-asleep-during-british-airbus-flight-incident-report-reveals/
- https://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=A9AAFE58-18F4-40B5-B59A-EBE316BBE878
- https://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1932040,00.html