Motorola's legal terms claim to strip owners of their right to sell their device

Which as mentioned would be a pretty novel argument. In all other circumstances in the industry, it's just an EULA you have to click through to download software. Those have repeatedly been found unenforceable any time someone tries to do something tricky or weird with one. Clicking away your right to sell your own property is awfully weird.

Contracts that do complicated things involve negotiation and signatures, generally. The more you rely on caveat emptor and the assumption that the License Clicker read through all the fine print, the more likely you are to get your contract tossed.

And of course there's a wikipedia page on this too, in parciular the "contracts of adhesion" paragraph under the US law section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_form_contract

> Can you sell your warranty rights?

No

> Does this work?

No

What you are referring to is not a warranty, they are statutory rights. [1][2]

* Consumer guarantees are automatic and can't be negotiated away. * Warranties are voluntary and are additional to consumer guarantees.

Here is the required text in Australia for goods:

# Mandatory text for goods and services supplied after 9 June 2019

The mandatory text for the supply of goods and services after 9 June 2019 is:

Our goods and services come with guarantees that cannot be excluded under the Australian Consumer Law. For major failures with the service, you are entitled:

    to cancel your service contract with us; and
    to a refund for the unused portion, or to compensation for its reduced value.

You are also entitled to choose a refund or replacement for major failures with goods.

If a failure with the goods or a service does not amount to a major failure, you are entitled to have the failure rectified in a reasonable time. If this is not done you are entitled to a refund for the goods and to cancel the contract for the service and obtain a refund of any unused portion.

You are also entitled to be compensated for any other reasonably foreseeable loss or damage from a failure in the goods or service.

[1] https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/buying-products-and-servic... [2] https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/caca2...

> But considering the state of discussion on the internet,

Yeah it is a tough problem. I specifically gave the advice of how to be anonymous in case someone was worried about that. That way at least they wouldn't be concerned with defacing their profile or other type of image. But I suspect that would bias it towards people who feel morally uncertain or are questioning their own actions.

And I fully agree. We need to stop being reactionary. It doesn't solve problems, it creates them. We all got egos here and to address this I typically go after the ego (including to myself). If we're so smart and rational then we can promote smart and rational discussions right?

I don't think many realize that they are often being used as pawns in a game of informational warfare. That our emotions play into the hands of others. Because they are quite easy to exploit, especially when we believe we are difficult to exploit (there's that ego again :) But I am trying to push for this type of behavior. Given your concern, I'd encourage you to take an active approach in this as well. I downvote any lazy comment I see (even if I agree with it, or even if it makes me laugh) in an effort to actively push up more meaningful comments. I also will try to openly question the interpretation of someone's comment as a means to quench any flames (an example is here[0] but clearly ineffective. Can be hit or miss). On the other hand, I will often upvote comments I disagree with if they are promoting discussions or if the replies to them are valuable. What I often see is a reply be great and highly informative but then because people agree with the reply they downvote the parent but this then pushes down the entire conversation. I'm not sure how to address this mechanism but this feels like the best I can do given the tools at hand.

I do fully believe we need to have these types of questions. Liberal or conservative, enabling these discussions is perfectly in line with your political beliefs, and in fact I would say is critical to it. We shouldn't be afraid of asking questions and we should be able to ask things in good faith (which that part is key). I think you're right about the environment and so this is why I'm trying to be the environment I want to see and try to encourage others to do the same. One thing I personally find hard is that it is easy to react to someone who reacts in bad faith to you. But I try to apologize when I recognize it. I think this is an important habit to build. The other is to be explicit about gratitude because I think part of the issue is that we let things that are good or that we're grateful for go unsaid. It makes sense, but clearly puts a bias on our perception. It also puts bias on incentives for people doing the right thing. Like when a company that has been doing bad things in the past does something good for once you can totally say "This is great! I don't condone x,y,z but I hope they continue to push towards being not evil" or whatever. There needs to be positive reinforcement signals too.

If I've learned anything in my own little domain that I'm an expert in it is that there's rabbit holes everywhere and nuances rule the domain. So I try to keep that in mind when thinking about other domains. I don't always succeed, but my process is set up to have multiple chances to correct course (but I'm still an idiot emotional human lol)

And of course, I'm open for suggestions about how to better cultivate an environment where we can have better discussions. If you have any advice I'd love to hear it.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39644752

I’ve been an embedded security engineer for the past two decades, have worked on a dozen secure silicon projects, have broken several secure boot chains (albeit only one publicly, in 2014: https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2014/hubcap-chromecast-root-pt...). I’ve also worked on some of the early Wii modchips when I was with Team Twiizers. These days I spend time (though not as much as I’d like) in cleanrooms playing with SEMs, plasma etchers and other fun toys.

I can fairly safely say your assumptions are incorrect.

Canada is the same. In fact, some provinces in Canada require the retailer to honor the warranty if the manufacturer refuses and the warranty was advertised.