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Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by spiffytech »

Someone1234 wrote: post #33

> Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway This title implies an order of events that is wrong. It exited the runway likely too fast, went down a small grass embankment, and only then did the [left] "Landing gear fail." See pictures here: https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618&opt=0 The article's actual title is more helpful: > Boeing 737 Max 8 ran off Texas runway into grass This happens semi-r…

I had no idea air traffic control recordings were public!

"Interesting recordings" are available for download here: https://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php

Direct mp3 link for the incident in question: https://forums.liveatc.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1...

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by mckn1ght »

coolThingsFirst wrote: post #12

Safest mode of travel strikes again

If you say so.

> The number of deaths per passenger-mile on commercial airlines in the United States between 2000 and 2010 was about 0.2 deaths per 10 billion passenger-miles. For driving, the rate was 150 per 10 billion vehicle-miles: 750 times higher per mile than for flying in a commercial airplane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_U...

I'll take 1:750 odds.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by zymhan »

This article from yesterday is quite timely:

> US NTSB probes 'stuck' rudder pedal issue on Boeing 737 MAX 8 flight

> The safety board reported the captain said that during the landing rollout, the phase just after touchdown, the rudder pedals did not move in response to "normal" application of foot pressure while attempting to maintain the runway centerline.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-ntsb-p...

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by daemonologist »

dralley wrote: post #7

Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. "737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculati…

Yeah VASAviation posted a video with ATC audio and the runway/taxiway layout [0], which definitely suggests that they were just taxiing and turned wide. Seems most likely to be pilot error, maybe with poor visibility or braking performance or something contributing (weather seems to have been fine but I don't want to pass judgement without all the details).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryS6w9b6OlE

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by spiderxxxx »

dralley wrote: post #7

Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. "737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculati…

Speculation is what we do, doesn't harm anyone, and is good to prime the brain for more detailed technical information. I'm fine with it. In fact, I think I learn more about how these systems interoperate by the speculation.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by dralley »

spiderxxxx wrote: post #47
dralley wrote: post #7

Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. "737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculati…

Speculation is what we do, doesn't harm anyone, and is good to prime the brain for more detailed technical information. I'm fine with it. In fact, I think I learn more about how these systems interoperate by the speculation.

No, there's definitely the potential for harm.

Considering United has had 3 accidents in the past week, dogpiling Boeing for something that might not be their fault has the side effect of potentially letting United off the hook - if they're at fault. Which maybe both are, or maybe neither are, but the dogpile won't help sort that out.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by gopher_space »

ortusdux wrote: post #11

Are the recent issues statistically significant or are people just paying more attention?

Statistically insignificant issues regarding flight don't really make the news. Keep in mind that your flat tire is a bummer, their flat tire could kill a thousand people.
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