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Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

afavour wrote: post #26
behnamoh wrote: post #5

How is it even still legal to operate 737 Max after all its failures? Is Boeing lobbying or something?

I don’t mean to give a free pass to Boeing’s ineptitude but it’s not like people are dying or even injured during these recent failures. Grounding them all permanently would be an overreaction.

Kind of Iceberg Effect.

All these safety issues, might be 'minor'. What we can see.

But having a big up-tick, and you wonder about the 'big-one' about to happen, that is still the submerged part of ice-berg.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by dralley »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #25
dralley wrote: post #7

Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. "737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculati…

> it “left the pavement and entered the grass” while exiting the runway for the gate, airport officials said in an interview. Indeed, seems like it taxi'd into the grass. Could be pilot error, or mechanical, I guess.

Or even both.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by Someone1234 »

> Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

This title implies an order of events that is wrong. It exited the runway likely too fast, went down a small grass embankment, and only then did the [left] "Landing gear fail."

See pictures here:

https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618&opt=0

The article's actual title is more helpful:

> Boeing 737 Max 8 ran off Texas runway into grass

This happens semi-regularly. It is a huge PITA when a larger aircraft does it, since it can shut down runways or taxiways for half an hour or more. Happens a lot with snow, in particular as that can obscure the edge.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by HPsquared »

dralley wrote: post #32
laweijfmvo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it “left the pavement and entered the grass” while exiting the runway for the gate, airport officials said in an interview. Indeed, seems like it taxi'd into the grass. Could be pilot error, or mechanical, I guess.

Or even both.

One can trigger, or exacerbate, the other.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by paulpauper »

dralley wrote: post #7

Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. "737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculati…

Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway.

Boeing stock did not seem to drop much on this news (at least not relative to the S&P 500, which is down), so this scenario would not have worked: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucebrumberg/2024/01/12/stakes...

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by brentm »

asciimov wrote: post #23
ortusdux wrote: post #11

Are the recent issues statistically significant or are people just paying more attention?

Yes the issues with the 737 Max 8 are significant. Major malfunctions are not the norm on airlines.

The door blowing out is something I'd blame on Boeing but these two incidents this week (tire falling off) and whatever happened here seem not likely their fault?

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by eqvinox »

asciimov wrote: post #23
ortusdux wrote: post #11

Are the recent issues statistically significant or are people just paying more attention?

Yes the issues with the 737 Max 8 are significant. Major malfunctions are not the norm on airlines.

I don't think the lost tyre qualifies for a major malfunction, and the greenery excursion might well be pilot error.

The engine fire I'm not sure about, it being a 21yo plane.

Give the NTSB some time for proper reports...

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by kayodelycaon »

I've subscribed to a bunch of ATC channels on YouTube for a while, minor incidents happen every day. Everyone is looking for Boeing planes getting in accidents and it's no surprise they find them.

That said, Boeing lack-of-engineered themselves into this situation and I have zero sympathy.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Post by kbf »

behnamoh wrote: post #5

How is it even still legal to operate 737 Max after all its failures? Is Boeing lobbying or something?

Worst case scenario a hundred or so people might lose their lives, best case scenario there might be a few more of the issues we’ve seen. Someone has probably come to the conclusion that it’s worth taking the gamble and not hurting Boeing unless there’s a more serious incident.
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