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Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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I met with a new accountant yesterday. He told me that if I email him and ask if I can expense a lunch and it's a 1 minute answer, he's not gonna charge me. But if it's gonna take him a good amount of time to respond, then he will. And I think that this is completely fair. I'd expect the same from a doctor. If I am asking a very occasional and non-urgent question with a quick answer (e.g., can I take my medicine and…

Several issues with your analogy:

1. The accountant will tell you that pricing up front, so you can make a decision before you send an email. No doctor in America will answer any question about pricing ahead of time.

2. The vast majority of Americans know precisely when they need to pay taxes and roughly how much work they will be, how many accounts they're dealing with, what types of questions might arise, etc. It is extremely rare for most people to ever have an urgent question for an accountant. Healthcare on the other hand is inherently unpredictable, and urgent questions are very common.

3. Most people don't have, and never will have, an accountant. Every single living human of any age needs at least one doctor, and often quite a few.

4. If you don't like your accountant's pricing, you can easily shop around for a different one. You can't do that with a doctor (see point 1). You can sort of do it with insurance, but that isn't the same thing, can only be done once a year, and the options are very limited for most people.

5. If you don't like dealing with an accountant at all, you can just get a normal job and never talk to one again. It's entirely within your control. If you don't like dealing with doctors, you're out of luck unless you want to die.

Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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So why is our healthcare twice as expensive as the countries who actually do have socialized health care? When is that competition going to kick in and bring down costs? https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-...

Because Americans don't want to let people who can't pay for emergency care die (which I'd argue is a good thing) but also can't have a serious conversation about how to pay for that.

It’s a false excuse. Plenty of countries that also don’t let poor people die because they cannot afford going to the hospital also spend much, much less per capita. Actually, all of them do, and by far. The US really are an anomaly.

Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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Here's American health care: • I needed refills for two prescriptions that I've been taking for years. This time, for opaque reasons, I needed to talk to a doctor first. • Fine, but I couldn't accommodate an in-person check-in. I chose a "video visit" that, due to logistics, I had to do while away from home. Because they were a half-hour late, I was effectively forced to do this from the couch of a Costco floor displ…

The whole prescription business is such a grift. Doctors deliberately give you max 2 years of a prescription that you know you will need for longer (such as allergy meds, eye prescriptions) and then you have to waste your time and spend money just to renew it.

Is this part of the reason those online pharmacy platforms (which include a doctor who will do a very quick exam/diagnosis) took off in recent years? I mostly heard about them with regard to ADHD meds but wonder if they are also useful because they don't require you to have checkups all the time for maintenance medication.

Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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So why is our healthcare twice as expensive as the countries who actually do have socialized health care? When is that competition going to kick in and bring down costs? https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-...

If it were fully free market, there would be more competition. If it were fully socialized, the government would control prices. Instead, our system is the worst* of both worlds. The government limits the supply to prevent competition, but allows those they've licensed to charge as much as they want. *(That is, worst for patients; it's the best for profits)

I don't believe there exists a possible free market for health insurance, just like with flood insurance or earthquake insurance. Adverse selection kills it.

Even if there were no insurance, I don't believe there exists a possible free market for expensive emergency medical procedures either.

Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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Typically one would not do that. You'd shop around ahead of time, sign up for a plan and then if/when the emergency came it would already be taken care of.

That's what we have now. I hope you're conscious enough to tell the ambulance driver which hospital to drive to.

SF Bay Area south bay -> Good Samaritan (anything but Valley Med)

SF Bay Area peninsula -> Stanford

Austin -> St David's

Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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Because Americans don't want to let people who can't pay for emergency care die (which I'd argue is a good thing) but also can't have a serious conversation about how to pay for that.

It’s a false excuse. Plenty of countries that also don’t let poor people die because they cannot afford going to the hospital also spend much, much less per capita. Actually, all of them do, and by far. The US really are an anomaly.

The socialism / capitalism argument is a way entrenched interests rile-up the public and stop productive conversation.

Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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Respectfully save me the Ayn Rand. Some of us live in the real world and not the political utopias of our minds.

But the Koch's want people to believe libertarianism is a kinder version of hate that believes in weed and unlimited freedom to rake in cash.

Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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You think that is bad. Try working with an attorney, they charge you to read your email and not respond at all.

I honestly think we'd be better off if doctors and nurses charged for their time like the good lawyers and paralegals due.

No fixed fees. No per-visit charges. Just bill for the time spent (including pre- and post-visit paperwork) and the direct expenses actually incurred. Everything else is built into the hourly rate.

It will never happen, but it would be much better.

Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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Every time the topic gets of healthcare comes up I always wonder how many doctors have tried themselves to interact with their own clinic (has to be their own) Trying to do simple things like: - Setting or getting an appointment. - Calling to sort out their office’s coding error that resulted in me getting an erroneous bill - Trying to get access to their portal or getting results for tests transferred in a realiable…

Trust me, they are all aware of this. The problem is that, for the majority of doctors now, they do not own or control their clinics. They are either: 1)employees of the health system or 2)partners or employees of a provider's group that essentially contracts with the system to provide doctors. The doctors themselves have no real control over how their clinics operate outside of contractual negotiations.

That's the problem. The doctors should form employee owned co-ops and be sure profiteering administrators and suits aren't the ones running things.

Re: More doctors are charging fees to respond to patient messages

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Every time the topic gets of healthcare comes up I always wonder how many doctors have tried themselves to interact with their own clinic (has to be their own) Trying to do simple things like: - Setting or getting an appointment. - Calling to sort out their office’s coding error that resulted in me getting an erroneous bill - Trying to get access to their portal or getting results for tests transferred in a realiable…

Trust me, they are all aware of this. The problem is that, for the majority of doctors now, they do not own or control their clinics. They are either: 1)employees of the health system or 2)partners or employees of a provider's group that essentially contracts with the system to provide doctors. The doctors themselves have no real control over how their clinics operate outside of contractual negotiations.

The problem is that they do not care, and they are not incentivized to care.
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