This sounds very much like Apple being maliciously compliant. Similar to their complaint against Epic Games...
I'd be interested to see what the EU makes of this.
iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores
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If you murder a Canadian overseas, then visit Canada, they will happily detain you.
They'll detain you regardless of the nationality of your victim.
Canadian authorities aren’t gonna proactively open an investigation into a murder in, say, Brazil, unless they have a reason to, like it being one of their citizens.
Same with the GDPR and EU residents who go abroad for a bit.
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I'm completely tired of seeing this awful mindset. Why do you get mad when consumers make shitty practices illegal instead of just putting up with it, but not when you see companies scam people? If "just don't get scammed lol" is a valid argument then there's clearly nothing wrong with just making the practice illegal.
And I'm completely tired of the "I am going to buy a well known item, with a well known feature set, and then later complain about all of this". YOU are enabling the shitty practices by giving them money in the first place. People need to take personal responsibility. If it's important to you, take a stand BEFORE you give your money to said person. There's no scam here. Everything is VERY well known.
You are being dishonest. It not like you stop buying bad tomatoes from one vendor and go to one of the hundreds others with zero incurred costs for transfer.
Apple is a world duopoly, the cost of devices is enormous and device is not the only thing that exists standalone. You likely have a lot of of purchased apps, media, uploaded data, proprietary hardware infrastructure which doesn't work with other vendors (like airpods etc.) and many many other ties to the Apple.
Saying that a person should just discard all that and simply move to the other vendor is a dumb proposition.
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>[...]this is a deliberate act of aggression by Apple [...] >There’s no other way than to interpret this, and the preceding actions by Apple, as a temper tantrum of malicious compliance [...] While it's pretty clear that most people here would have liked it if Apple rolled out third party app stores to everyone and were hoping that EU regulations would extend to non-EU users (like with USB-C charging port standard),…
i travel a lot. and that means, i sometimes leave my home for months at a time. more than 30 days. when roaming with a chinese sim card, all my traffic keeps going through china, regardless how long i leave the country. so for practical purposes, it is like i never left the country. but if i use an EU sim, suddenly after 30 days i am no longer considered to be part of the EU? as an EU citizen? how does that make any…
When using a EU sim your traffic will still go trough the EU server.
But the EU laws stop applying at the border. The third-party stores are there because of a EU law that does not apply on any other country.
If they wanted they could make the store stop working the minute you step out of the EU and they would still be following the law.
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>[...]this is a deliberate act of aggression by Apple [...] >There’s no other way than to interpret this, and the preceding actions by Apple, as a temper tantrum of malicious compliance [...] While it's pretty clear that most people here would have liked it if Apple rolled out third party app stores to everyone and were hoping that EU regulations would extend to non-EU users (like with USB-C charging port standard),…
> EU jurisdiction ends at EU borders They still charge me EU prices outside though.
It’s malicious because they’ve done more work than necessary to put limitations on the user.
They already know what region an account is in. If they just said “Ok, EU account, turn on the flags” that would be less engineering effort. Even if they increased verification of things like where you actually are relative your account at signup. But this is them engineering this solution to make sure the secret sauce doesn’t leak out of the EU. Everyone knows it’s malicious because it’s easy to intuitively grasp that they’ve gone through all this extra effort to make absolutely sure everyone outside of the EU has a worse experience no matter what
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No, you understand it correctly. People are just being dramatic because they’re not getting what they want. The DMA doesn’t even stipulate a 30 day provision, just a stipulation that it applies to people who live or are located in the EU. There’s a bit of wiggle room on how to read that (i.e., people who live in the EU, people who are located in the EU, people who live or are located in the EU) and Apple chose the mi…
a stipulation that it applies to people who live or are located in the EU if i travel to leave the EU for longer than 30 days, do i no longer live in the EU? according to tax law, i am considered living in the EU as long as i spend at least 6 months per year there. so by that metric, the feature should be available for at least 6 months after leaving the EU.
you still live in the EU.
But the second you step out of EU, EU laws stop applying to you.
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When you are on EU embassy (Any Embassy of country in the EU) then it is considered sovereign territory of that country, where laws of that country applies. So answer is yes.
No, that is incorrect.
So British laws apply in Iranian embassy in London? No they don't
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I'm the exact opposite of a Apple fanboy, but can you enlighten me with what they are supposed to do here? EU says "you must allow XYZ in our jurisdiction" so Apple allows XYZ in their jurisdiction. Right? --- Tbh, this just seems like unintended consequences of policy. But explain what I'm missing.
Does one cease to be an EU resident or citizen if traveling abroad for more than 30 days?
no.. but EU laws only apply to EU territories.
the second you step out of EU, EU laws stop applying to you and the laws from whatever country you are in the moment start applying.
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I'm not sure what criteria Apple should be using to adhere to the EU-specific policy
Very simple. Phones bought in the EU should adhere to their laws.
No because that would cause world wide people to buy EU phones just for the third-party stores even if they live in other countries.
the law that apply to a phone is the law of the country you are at the moment.
Third-party store are there because an EU law that only apply to EU territories.
If you are out of the EU the law does not apply and Apple is not required to give you access to third-party stores.