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Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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>The guy accepted the $2 raise. Taking advantage of naivete doesn't excuse them from being scumbags. You can worship scumbag employment practices if you like, or claim that it's his "fault" somehow for not understanding the value of what he was doing. I prefer to reward people at least SOMEWHAT proportional to their contribution, as opposed to proportional to their business acumen. In your world, the 1% get richer, t…

The guy didn't care enough to ask for more than $2, why should I care on his behalf? The problem I have with your rant is that you're implicitly segregating the population into two groups, one which knows better and one which needs the other group to take care of it. Of course you're placing yourself in the group that knows better... I have enough work taking care of myself. If saying, "That guy can look out for hims…

Are you willing to go to naive elderly folks and convince them to give you most of their retirement savings based on lies? (Lies in the form of withheld information, say.)

No? Why is that different than taking advantage of someone too young to know better?

If I sell you a car that has a hard-to-detect problem deep in its engine that I know will cause the engine to need to be rebuilt at a cost of nearly half the price you're paying, and I fail to tell you about it because I'm sure you'll never know that I knew, is that OK?

No? Why is that different?

I'm NOT saying that you should be "taking care of" that guy. Frankly you're not part of the equation between him and his employer.

I AM saying that, if he were to do business with you, as an employee or otherwise, and the relationship were based in part on lies (even if they were lies-by-omission), then yes, THAT would make you a scumbag. I hasten to add that I am not accusing the real YOU of being a scumbag, just the hypothetical "you" that would take advantage of someone to that extreme.

Capitalism doesn't have to be about screwing the other guy when you can get away with it. It often IS, but it doesn't have to be.

Sometimes the value of an unproven kid really is low, because the odds of them doing a good job aren't very high, and so you're amortizing the cost across a number of hires -- but he was a proven value to the company (to the point that they fired 10 other temp workers), and so their behavior was blatantly unethical. (Aside from the fact that most temp worker contracts prohibit you from hiring the worker directly without giving the temp agency a fee, and by the description they almost certainly sidestepped any such clause, which is itself a probable unethical contract violation.)

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

#112
As if HN wasn't enough like Reddit yet...

Whether or not they think he is a scumbag is relevant. What will really matter is what his boss will think when he finds out that he has all this extra salary on the books for nothing.

If he's concerned that his friends think he's a scumbag now, just wait until the pink slips start rolling out when there's a budget crunch.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

#113

I was a programmer and sysadmin at a company that had lots of people doing data entry. One of the typists found out that the client did not check the data at all. (It was all just packaged and resold.) She just hit OK for every single OCR scan that she was supposed to correct/verify. She was doing ten times as much as anyone else and doubling her salary with her bonus. When made aware, management went along with it.…

I think it bordered on fraud.

I don't think there's any "bordering" there. Imagine a plumber who realises that they don't need to lay all the pipes cause the client isn't going to test that the pipes are connected and hence doesn't lay the pipes, but still charges the client. Fraud.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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No, that doesn't make him a scumbag. I don't understand why people post these things though. Are they really looking for validation?

Maybe they do actually suspect they are a scumbag. It's a very damaging and pervasive mindset.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

#115

This is what I used to do for a living: 1) Go to offices and learn their goals and systems 2) Automate them with software 3) Get paid lots of money for selling them the software While one result of automation is lost jobs, the other is that businesses have more operating capital to grow, expand, hire more, etc. He's not a scumbag, but he's missing the opportunity. Why isn't this guy selling the software/process to th…

Why isn't this guy selling the software/process to the company he works for, and making far more money in the process than he gets from his bonuses?

Interalised self-hatred? (You'll see they are asking the internet if what they are doing is unethical.) Also they might be very shy and not used to thinking they can get the world.

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