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Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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Re: Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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This comment nails it: """Please read "Quiet - The power of introverts in a world that can't stop talking" by Susan Cain Saying its a habit is saying that you can easily overcome it. I don't feel it's a choice, do you know how many times I thought about ending my life because I hated being born an introvert and shy? This article might as well be called: If you are shy, its you're fault, stop being lazy and change. On…

"Shyness is a habit, it can be fixed!" reminds me of the "Homosexuality is a medical condition. It can be cured!" attitude of the mid twentieth century.

We all know how that ended.

I hope that as a society, we can find acceptance towards the introverts, much like how many straight people today are finding acceptance towards those who are different from them, realizing that in our essence, we are all the same.

Re: Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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> This article might as well be called: If you are shy, its you're fault, stop being lazy and change. There seems to be a tendency to conflate someone saying "You can change X" and "If you suffer from X, you're a lazy and bad person." That's not productive. It's an emotional response to a logical issue. pg goes into depth about these responses in the article "Keep Your Identity Small": http://paulgraham.com/identity.…

Ironically, this thread has degenerated in to exactly what pg is describing. People are binding their identity to their preferred style of social interaction. "I'm an extrovert..." "Oh well, I'm an introvert"

Isn't someone's style of social interaction integral to their identity?

Re: Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This article might as well be called: If you are shy, its you're fault, stop being lazy and change. There seems to be a tendency to conflate someone saying "You can change X" and "If you suffer from X, you're a lazy and bad person." That's not productive. It's an emotional response to a logical issue. pg goes into depth about these responses in the article "Keep Your Identity Small": http://paulgraham.com/identity.…

Ironically, this thread has degenerated in to exactly what pg is describing. People are binding their identity to their preferred style of social interaction. "I'm an extrovert..." "Oh well, I'm an introvert"

seeing as personality is defined as a preferred set of reactions to external events, your preferred style of social interaction is part of your identity by definition.

this is shorthand for saying "I prefer alone time to recharge" or "I am energized by the company of others," which is a fundamental aspect of identity.

factor analysis of personality breaks down personality into related sets of consistent behaviors. introversion/extroversion exists in even the simplest model. the distinction was first noticed by Jung. it was even observed in dogs by Pavlov, who found that dogs that were active around other dogs fell asleep when left alone, where as dogs that seemed exhausted by the same events perked up when isolated.

introversion/extraversion is not a constant preference. sometimes introverts like parties. but individuals have a preference for one or the other that forms a preferred set of responses to external events, which makes it part of the definition of personality.

this is an article based on folk psychology written in ignorance of thousands of articles on this subject, starting with Jung, experimentally noted by Pavlov in animals, and made rigorous in the work of Hans Eysenck. Eysenck used factor analysis to rigorously define extraversion and identified it as a basic dimension of human personality.

this is an incontrovertible finding of modern psychology. extraversion/introversion form one of the parts of the five factor model, which uses factor analysis to identify five core factors of human personality. some models have more, some less - that's the art of the technique. but they all have introversion/extraversion.

there is a distinction between shyness and introversion, where the former is mostly likely meant to mean socially anxious. however, introversion is an enduring personality trait that factor analysis consistently identifies.

Re: Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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If anyone is shy and wants to reduce it, here is a simple, tested, and effective method: Say "Hi" to strangers, people at work, anyone you bump into. I do not mean a low hi, without eye contact. I mean a LOUD "hi," with a It's-nothing,-I-am-just-happy-to-be-alive smile on your face, and keep the eye contact.

Re: Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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post #7

This comment nails it: """Please read "Quiet - The power of introverts in a world that can't stop talking" by Susan Cain Saying its a habit is saying that you can easily overcome it. I don't feel it's a choice, do you know how many times I thought about ending my life because I hated being born an introvert and shy? This article might as well be called: If you are shy, its you're fault, stop being lazy and change. On…

I'd like to risk being facetious and suggest that "being good with people" is a requirement for most good jobs, the ones where it's not are the first that get outsourced/replaced with robots/laid off.

Well, yeah. Admittedly the phrase "being good with people" is kinda vague. In most jobs you have to deal with people in some way or another. But when people use this phrase, they often mean something similar to "extroverted", "talkative", "persuasive", etc. Like for jobs in sales, these qualities (?) are often required and expected. However, I don't see how they matter much in a desk job, assuming you manage to communicate well (in some form or another) with your co-workers and clients.

Re: Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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It seems to me this article has been pitched badly. It does come across as "If you're shy, you're broken", where in my opinion it's actually trying to say:

"If you're worried that your shyness is stopping you enjoying yourself/making the most of opportunities then don't worry, it is possible to get past that".

I think it's a poor decision that they didn't differentiate between people who are quiet and happy with it, and people who are quiet and are frustrated by it.

I used to be the latter, and now even though I'm still pretty quiet, I'm a lot happier knowing I can open up a conversation or get involved in a group if I want to.

And I do have to say that I think it's a lot better having gotten over that bump, certainly I've been able to make a lot more opportunities for myself. But it does take work and it does take other people to help you.

Re: Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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Mention introversion and shyness, especially around geeks, and many people will come out saying, "I like being shy," "I'm an introvert, that's just the way I am," and things like that.

Different people learn social skills differently. For me they were incredibly hard to learn, but my life improved so much with each bit that learning each bit motivated me to learn the next. Now nobody can believe I was ever not outgoing.

Saying "I'm X" doesn't mean you have to be X forever. But putting it that way reinforces your X-ness. Some people say shyness is like gayness, something your born with. I haven't observed that to be the case, not that I've researched it.

To me the problem with being shy isn't that others look down on it. It's that it prevents you from solving many problems. Most of life's hardest problems as well as greatest solutions are social.

Saying "I like being shy"... well, everyone likes being shy sometimes. But I doubt anyone who also knows a million other ways of being would prefer losing everything but shyness. Do you like having no option other than being shy?

To anyone who says you can't learn social and emotional management skills to overcome shyness, that wasn't the case with me or others I know. You can say those cases are anecdotal, but so is yours.

Re: Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, this thread has degenerated in to exactly what pg is describing. People are binding their identity to their preferred style of social interaction. "I'm an extrovert..." "Oh well, I'm an introvert"

seeing as personality is defined as a preferred set of reactions to external events, your preferred style of social interaction is part of your identity by definition. this is shorthand for saying "I prefer alone time to recharge" or "I am energized by the company of others," which is a fundamental aspect of identity. factor analysis of personality breaks down personality into related sets of consistent behaviors. in…

Sure it's part of your personality, but that doesn't mean it has to be part of your identity. There are people who don't consider their gender part of their identity, there are people who don't consider their (lack of) religion part of their identity, and there are definitely people who don't consider intro-/extrovert part of their identity.

(Note that "identity" has the same meaning as in pg's article, above.)

Re: Being Shy Is Just a Bad Habit, and You Can Break It With Regular Practice

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This comment nails it: """Please read "Quiet - The power of introverts in a world that can't stop talking" by Susan Cain Saying its a habit is saying that you can easily overcome it. I don't feel it's a choice, do you know how many times I thought about ending my life because I hated being born an introvert and shy? This article might as well be called: If you are shy, its you're fault, stop being lazy and change. On…

'It's not OK to fire someone because of their gender, race, sexual orientation, religion, etc; but firing someone because they are "shy" or "introverted" or "not a people person" seems to be perfectly acceptable and legal. Shouldn't that be considered discrimination as well? (Assuming that "being good with people" isn't a requirement of the job.)'

What do you mean by 'a requirement of the job?' Is that a concrete, unchangeable list that had to be agreed upon at the hire date? Employers aren't infallible. Imagine you hire a programmer and you didn't specifically say "must be easy to get along with" or "must be willing to state objections in team meetings." Two months later you find that this person's rudeness or shyness is causing train wrecks on the team. You want to be able to fire them if all else fails, right?

I think the idea of shyness as a legally protected trait is silly. There are a whole host of personality issues that may make a person unsuited for a job. Let's not handcuff employers here. It's as fair for an employer to fire me because I never speak up when I should as it is for me to quit because I don't like their corporate culture.

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