Sweden Is a NATO Member

Please show me the document of the agreement not to expand NATO.

While you try to find that, it would be great if you could explain why countries want to give away some of their military freedom and risk being dragged to other wars and join NATO. Why did the baltic countries join? Why did Sweden and Finland - two typically anti-NATO countries - recently changed their mind without public opposition?

NATO should send Putin a "salesman of the year 2022" award. The guy managed to give a new life to the organisation and made both countries join, creating a "east expands to NATO" (and not a "NATO expands east") situation. This wouldn't have happened before Feb 2022... are we sure he isn't working for the "west"?

If you want to talk about agreements, we can start by talking about the Budapest Memorandum from 1994 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum ). It's only 6 points and very easy to understand, I recommend reading it.

I don't know who's talking about Article 5 being used when a member of NATO starts an offensive war against someone else. I also didn't read anything about Poland joining Ukraine to fight Russia (which, let's not forget, decided to wage war). Maybe you replied to the wrong person?

Not going to continue this discussion with you though. Not that the west is blameless, but I have no time to discuss with someone that blames everyone but the country that willingly started the war in Ukraine.

We temporarily renamed some fast food that wasn’t even correctly named after them, and made a bunch of juvenile jokes about their performance in WW2 for a couple decades. I dunno, I was just a kid at the time, but I didn’t get the impression that we were taking their complaints very seriously.

Is this the "she made me do it" excuse wife beaters use, but for international relations?

Three facts (not opinions) for you:

- The revolution in Ukraine, which often is blamed by Russians and tankies on the "west", happened after the then president Yanukovych decided to abandon the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement and join Russia's Eurasian Economic Union instead when most of Ukraine was getting more pro-European Union.

- Russia started a war with Ukraine in 2014 when they invaded Crimea, breaking international law and the the Budapest Memorandum they signed. Everything - from Azovs to war crimes - came after. Russia then decided to expand that war in 2022, after being warned privately and publicly that the west would help Ukraine if they did so.

- Ukraine has been trying to join NATO since the early 2000's. NATO's open door policy is there from the start and will continue to be, but Ukraine didn't join back then and [opinion ahead, based on real numbers] wouldn't be accepted in 2014 either because they were too corrupt, bloated and incompetent.

Putin invaded, not because he was cornered, but because he saw an opportunity and took it. And let's be honest, it worked. A few hundred unmarked soldiers and people with guns (eg: Igor Girkin) transporting politicians around to vote to join Russia... there were some protests, some sanctions, but nothing serious. He tried to do the same again in 2022, but it didn't work.

I don't know why people like you try to come up to excuses when even Putin himself from time to time drops the BS and just says he did it because he could. Want to support Russia? Fine, but cut the bullshit. You like seeing them attacking and stealing land from a neighbour, you just lack the balls to admit it.

My eyes rolled when you mentioned Russia's resources. We have the money to buy their resources. Europe depended on their gas and, to a lesser extent, their oil. It was fine, everyone - including Russia - was getting richer, we had strong economies, we used their gas and they used our planes and technology. No reason at all to start a war. What do we need their land for? Who was calling for an invasion/annexation/controlling of Russian land or a war with Russia (a nuclear power!)? Most countries in Europe don't even want to spend 2% of their GDP now (post invasion)... but they want a conflict with Russia?

Again, you only blame one side for that WW3 that is surely about to happen (lol). Russia, which as you've said is not governed by a madman (or a bunch of amateurs that are easily played), decided to start a war in Europe. Can't you see that they have so much power and that they could stop it all? They could also stop making threats like the ones that mention that Sarmat you talked about, but they don't. And where's the "we'll leave Ukraine if we they don't join NATO" proposal?

Anyway, while it "takes two to tango", you can only blame one side. And that's the problem with your position.

They are not.

Not since the 1940s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Armistice

Indeed, let's not forget our incredible human capacity for forgiveness. Two major peace treaties I pray to see every day is Palestine and Israel and for the Russians and Ukrainians to be brothers.

Sometimes I wonder what a unified world look like, for example what would it look for Palestine and Israel becoming a single nation? For South Korea and North Korea to merge again in brother hood? For China and Taiwan ? etc.

Like how boring would the news be in complete peace? what we wound be doing instead if we weren't busy killing each other?

Just some questions I ponder sometimes..