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what are you talking about?
You think normal people give a shit about this whole thing? The moment Facebook doesn’t work in Europe people are voting out everyone who had anything to do with this.
Apple seems keen on demonstrating their dominance over government.
Apple seems keen on demonstrating their dominance over government.
IIUC this is a deliberate act of aggression by Apple - which is important to note. Apple already has regional accounts, so the infrastructure for this is in place already, for preexisting reasons. My Apple ID is still within US after months of being in the EU. They have not “kicked me out” yet. There’s no other way than to interpret this, and the preceding actions by Apple, as a temper tantrum of malicious compliance…
>[...]this is a deliberate act of aggression by Apple [...] >There’s no other way than to interpret this, and the preceding actions by Apple, as a temper tantrum of malicious compliance [...] While it's pretty clear that most people here would have liked it if Apple rolled out third party app stores to everyone and were hoping that EU regulations would extend to non-EU users (like with USB-C charging port standard),…
They might as well call Apple petty for not throwing in an iPhone with the purchase of a MacBook.
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After MVP, the first security feature a mobile team should implement is a forced upgrade flow.
I don't disagree. Given the barrier to entry and cost, with little benefit, if I were to guess, the Epic store might be the only "third party App Store" to ever see the light of day. And the way that's going, even that is in doubt.
One of them even announced providing a white label service for others to launch their app store.
I have no interest in them, but it’ll be fine.
Apple really trying to be the asshole here. Imagine installing work apps that disappear after 30 days.. Also what happens if the user chooses not to share their live location with apple?
Unless I misunderstand, the apps still work? They just can't be updated after 30 days and you can't install new apps from the third party stores.
People are just being dramatic because they’re not getting what they want.
The DMA doesn’t even stipulate a 30 day provision, just a stipulation that it applies to people who live or are located in the EU. There’s a bit of wiggle room on how to read that (i.e., people who live in the EU, people who are located in the EU, people who live or are located in the EU) and Apple chose the middle road, presumably with the expectation that if it turns out to be an issue it’ll be settled before the CJEU.
If this were a court case on TV, the next words from the EU/"prosecutor" should be, "Permission to treat the witness as hostile?"
This is wildly off-topic, but a prosecutor asking for a defense witness to be "treated as hostile" is redundant. They're hostile by default. The request to "treat someone as hostile" is about their OWN witness that THEY introduced getting turned into a hostile aka opposition witness. > A hostile witness is a witness who testifies against the party who has called them to testify. The examiner may ask a hostile witness…
Can’t fault them too much for it though, they did indicate that their inspiration was TV.
How does this improve security?
It doesn't - none of what Apple is doing is security. It's using the lack robust market competition to make tortured interpretations of DMA laws to continue to play rentier.
Article 1 clearly states the subject matter and scope of the DMA, with subsection 2 defining which end users it pertains to. As it should, because it would be bonkers for the EU to try and regulate anything outside of their jurisdiction.
Just say you wish it applied outside of the EU but that you understand the logical jurisdictional limitations and call it a day.
There’s no need for unwarranted loaded language.