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iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by cyp0633 »

m463 wrote: post #53
_visgean wrote: post #2

Apple really trying to be the asshole here. Imagine installing work apps that disappear after 30 days.. Also what happens if the user chooses not to share their live location with apple?

I wonder if you turn off location services, and use a european VPN, if you maintain access. If you do not have access, I would wonder if they would run across the problem google ran into with private browsing, that people expect to have privacy. In other words, if you turn off location services, that apple will not track your location and should have (legal) no way of knowing if you are inside or outside of the EU.

Apple claims that not all traffic goes through the enabled VPN, so an European VPN may not make any difference

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by overstay8930 »

nbvkappowqpeop wrote: post #64
pillusmany wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a credible threat. There would be millions of people in the streets if Facebook/Whatsapp/Google were blocked due to EU regulations.

what are you talking about?

You think normal people give a shit about this whole thing? The moment Facebook doesn’t work in Europe people are voting out everyone who had anything to do with this.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by refulgentis »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #43
refulgentis wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a brand spanking new feature[^1], I'm not sure they knew this kind of thing would bother them until recently. [^1] Source: TFA, the thing we're commenting on, at least, hopefully we're not just looking for comments to reply to, and then replying in a way that makes people feel small and look silly

Right. So, when the person bought the item, the expectation was that Apple's App Store was the only option. Now, there is an additional option, while in the the EU. So the feature set when the person bought the phone is the same, and there is now a new added ability.

That's right. Apple never dictated app operation, especially ones they officially support, via GPS before. It was completely unforseeable.

Are you the same person who was saying tough noodles, you should have accounted for this when buying the phone?

Or is someone else operating the account now?

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by refulgentis »

MattGaiser wrote: post #39
refulgentis wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a brand spanking new feature[^1], I'm not sure they knew this kind of thing would bother them until recently. [^1] Source: TFA, the thing we're commenting on, at least, hopefully we're not just looking for comments to reply to, and then replying in a way that makes people feel small and look silly

You never had the ability to install stuff outside the App Store before, so this is really just the status quo.

100% correct. Apple never dictated app operation, especially ones they officially support, via GPS before. 100% unforseeable.

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Post by lesuorac »

freeAgent wrote: post #60
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't - none of what Apple is doing is security. It's using the lack robust market competition to make tortured interpretations of DMA laws to continue to play rentier.

But I thought the only reason Apple prevented third-party stores and sideloaded apps in the first place was to improve security. Therefore, I’m sure that disabling app updates once someone spends a month outside the EU must improve security, too. Right!? /s

I mean the more functionality you remove from a device the more secure it becomes.

Let me know when your flipper zero can hack a brick.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by wolpoli »

klabb3 wrote: post #57

IIUC this is a deliberate act of aggression by Apple - which is important to note. Apple already has regional accounts, so the infrastructure for this is in place already, for preexisting reasons. My Apple ID is still within US after months of being in the EU. They have not “kicked me out” yet. There’s no other way than to interpret this, and the preceding actions by Apple, as a temper tantrum of malicious compliance…

It sounds like someone in Apple is burning the corporate brand to make their division's target because the target wasn't adjusted in the face of the law. Leadership at the top is at fault.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by ceejayoz »

samatman wrote: post #4

> Whether or not that will be something the European Commission takes issue with, remains to be seen. After all, an EU citizen is an EU citizen even after they leave the EU. I fail to see how this is in any way relevant. Cannabis is legal in Canada, and Canadians remain Canadian citizens abroad. If they're caught with cannabis in a country where it's illegal, they will be prosecuted for breaking the law. Laws don't f…

If you murder a Canadian overseas, then visit Canada, they will happily detain you.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by bongodongobob »

bpye wrote: post #69
diebeforei485 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhone VPN's are not enabled when connecting with Apple's domains.

In that case a WiFi network that tunnels all your traffic to an endpoint within the EU?

I think there's still issues even if you do that. I worked on a corporate firewall issue a few years ago where iPhones were getting around our DNS and outbound VPN blocking. It had something to do with DoH but for the life of me I can't remember exactly how it was related. I just remember that they were very sneaky in connecting to things that should have been blocked and were successfully blocked on the PCs and Androids.
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