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iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by diebeforei485 »

m463 wrote: post #53
_visgean wrote: post #2

Apple really trying to be the asshole here. Imagine installing work apps that disappear after 30 days.. Also what happens if the user chooses not to share their live location with apple?

I wonder if you turn off location services, and use a european VPN, if you maintain access. If you do not have access, I would wonder if they would run across the problem google ran into with private browsing, that people expect to have privacy. In other words, if you turn off location services, that apple will not track your location and should have (legal) no way of knowing if you are inside or outside of the EU.

iPhone VPN's are not enabled when connecting with Apple's domains.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by TheDong »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #48
vsuperpower2020 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm completely tired of seeing this awful mindset. Why do you get mad when consumers make shitty practices illegal instead of just putting up with it, but not when you see companies scam people? If "just don't get scammed lol" is a valid argument then there's clearly nothing wrong with just making the practice illegal.

And I'm completely tired of the "I am going to buy a well known item, with a well known feature set, and then later complain about all of this". YOU are enabling the shitty practices by giving them money in the first place. People need to take personal responsibility. If it's important to you, take a stand BEFORE you give your money to said person. There's no scam here. Everything is VERY well known.

These things are multifaceted.

Someone might want to be able to video-call with their grandma who only knows how to use facetime, while also wanting to be able to compile and run open-source apps from source on the device they paid money for.

It's also not particularly well known either that apple has such predatory practices I don't think.

Of my friends, I don't think any of them realized the reason they couldn't buy ebooks on the iOS kindle app, and the app couldn't even have a link to the webpage where you could buy it, is Apple's anti-competitive rules to give apple books an edge. I think everyone just assumed Amazon was too dumb to design a "buy now" link.

I don't think most of my friends realize uBlock origin not existing for "chrome on iOS" is apple's fault, but rather assume the addon developer or chrome folks are at fault.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by nbvkappowqpeop »

pillusmany wrote: post #44
dakial1 wrote: post #24

How long before EU ask FAANG to "split or don't make business here anymore"? US won't ever do that because of all the lobbying, but EU might, no?

Not a credible threat. There would be millions of people in the streets if Facebook/Whatsapp/Google were blocked due to EU regulations.

what are you talking about?

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by quickslowdown »

dylan604 wrote: post #40
oyashirochama wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of, not entirely true for most laws, only ones of certain levels typically the big captial punishment or long term imprisonment ones such as rape, CP, murder, certain financial crimes, and conspiracies to commit said prior. Drinking underage for example, most examples of drugs too. Even internally in the US they don't have specific right to arrest someone for smoking weed in a state that is legal as federal agen…

> only ones of certain levels typically in what country are any of the things you listed legal?

I think they were listing some extreme examples of things you'd probably be prosecuted back home for, regardless of where you committed those crimes.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by overstay8930 »

user_7832 wrote: post #42
vsuperpower2020 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm completely tired of seeing this awful mindset. Why do you get mad when consumers make shitty practices illegal instead of just putting up with it, but not when you see companies scam people? If "just don't get scammed lol" is a valid argument then there's clearly nothing wrong with just making the practice illegal.

Yeah, I really don't get the "just get an android" type of response (even though the OP here is quite polite and I'm referring to other people arguing this). If something exhibits anti-competitive behaviour, it's great if competition exists, but it does not justify the behaviour which should still be subject to typical anti-competitive laws.

So instead make it impossible to create an alternative to Apple because now there isn’t a point? Someone could have come in and done everything better than Apple and more open, but now that’s impossible. Who would bother when they could just donate to the nearest EU politician to dictate what software change they want next?

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by vsuperpower2020 »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #48
vsuperpower2020 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm completely tired of seeing this awful mindset. Why do you get mad when consumers make shitty practices illegal instead of just putting up with it, but not when you see companies scam people? If "just don't get scammed lol" is a valid argument then there's clearly nothing wrong with just making the practice illegal.

And I'm completely tired of the "I am going to buy a well known item, with a well known feature set, and then later complain about all of this". YOU are enabling the shitty practices by giving them money in the first place. People need to take personal responsibility. If it's important to you, take a stand BEFORE you give your money to said person. There's no scam here. Everything is VERY well known.

I'm not buying anything from apple and I still don't want consumers to be screwed over. It's you and only you (and I hope you're being paid to do this) playing defense for billion dollar corporations selling a premium product to consumers and engaging in shitty practices. Your meme ideology doesn't work and never will work because this is more profitable than ever, and companies love to copy what apple does so it spreads. Companies are getting more anti-consumer every single year in the US and they don't need your help.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by bpye »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #61
m463 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if you turn off location services, and use a european VPN, if you maintain access. If you do not have access, I would wonder if they would run across the problem google ran into with private browsing, that people expect to have privacy. In other words, if you turn off location services, that apple will not track your location and should have (legal) no way of knowing if you are inside or outside of the EU.

iPhone VPN's are not enabled when connecting with Apple's domains.

In that case a WiFi network that tunnels all your traffic to an endpoint within the EU?

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by Larrikin »

lm411 wrote: post #31
_visgean wrote: post #2

Apple really trying to be the asshole here. Imagine installing work apps that disappear after 30 days.. Also what happens if the user chooses not to share their live location with apple?

Unless I misunderstand, the apps still work? They just can't be updated after 30 days and you can't install new apps from the third party stores.

After MVP, the first security feature a mobile team should implement is a forced upgrade flow.
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