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iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by drewthestu »

samatman wrote: post #4

> Whether or not that will be something the European Commission takes issue with, remains to be seen. After all, an EU citizen is an EU citizen even after they leave the EU. I fail to see how this is in any way relevant. Cannabis is legal in Canada, and Canadians remain Canadian citizens abroad. If they're caught with cannabis in a country where it's illegal, they will be prosecuted for breaking the law. Laws don't f…

I think you have it a bit turned around. If I have a right under my country's laws based on my citizenship, my right doesn't cease to exist because I leave the country. For example, I continue to have 5th Amendment rights outside of the United States. Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957).

I haven't read the decision that requires Apple to open up its devices to third party stores, but if that decision is somehow premised on rights conferred by EU citizenship, then the passage you quote would be valid.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by user_7832 »

vsuperpower2020 wrote: post #36
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It.. doesn't bother me. But none of this is different than when said person spent a thousand dollars. If this is the sort of thing that annoys you, you should probably have bought a different device in the first place.

I'm completely tired of seeing this awful mindset. Why do you get mad when consumers make shitty practices illegal instead of just putting up with it, but not when you see companies scam people? If "just don't get scammed lol" is a valid argument then there's clearly nothing wrong with just making the practice illegal.

Yeah, I really don't get the "just get an android" type of response (even though the OP here is quite polite and I'm referring to other people arguing this). If something exhibits anti-competitive behaviour, it's great if competition exists, but it does not justify the behaviour which should still be subject to typical anti-competitive laws.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by CubsFan1060 »

refulgentis wrote: post #33
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It.. doesn't bother me. But none of this is different than when said person spent a thousand dollars. If this is the sort of thing that annoys you, you should probably have bought a different device in the first place.

This is a brand spanking new feature[^1], I'm not sure they knew this kind of thing would bother them until recently. [^1] Source: TFA, the thing we're commenting on, at least, hopefully we're not just looking for comments to reply to, and then replying in a way that makes people feel small and look silly

Right. So, when the person bought the item, the expectation was that Apple's App Store was the only option. Now, there is an additional option, while in the the EU. So the feature set when the person bought the phone is the same, and there is now a new added ability.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by pillusmany »

dakial1 wrote: post #24

How long before EU ask FAANG to "split or don't make business here anymore"? US won't ever do that because of all the lobbying, but EU might, no?

Not a credible threat. There would be millions of people in the streets if Facebook/Whatsapp/Google were blocked due to EU regulations.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by dakial1 »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #30
dakial1 wrote: post #24

How long before EU ask FAANG to "split or don't make business here anymore"? US won't ever do that because of all the lobbying, but EU might, no?

What would be available for phones and laptops in this scenario? The FairPhone, System 76 laptop... what are the other options? (Assuming you also mean Microsoft)

That's a good point.

Would EU be able to allow selling the phone but not the app store?

Also, what is the line of monopoly or abuse of market dominance that would put these companies get caught in the EU's cross hairs?

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by CubsFan1060 »

vsuperpower2020 wrote: post #36
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It.. doesn't bother me. But none of this is different than when said person spent a thousand dollars. If this is the sort of thing that annoys you, you should probably have bought a different device in the first place.

I'm completely tired of seeing this awful mindset. Why do you get mad when consumers make shitty practices illegal instead of just putting up with it, but not when you see companies scam people? If "just don't get scammed lol" is a valid argument then there's clearly nothing wrong with just making the practice illegal.

And I'm completely tired of the "I am going to buy a well known item, with a well known feature set, and then later complain about all of this". YOU are enabling the shitty practices by giving them money in the first place. People need to take personal responsibility. If it's important to you, take a stand BEFORE you give your money to said person.

There's no scam here. Everything is VERY well known.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by gumby271 »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #5
_visgean wrote: post #2

Apple really trying to be the asshole here. Imagine installing work apps that disappear after 30 days.. Also what happens if the user chooses not to share their live location with apple?

They don't lose access to the apps. I suspect the phone itself is what disables it, not sending the location to Apple.

I'm not sure the nuance of technically not sending to Apple really matters when we talk about iOS. iOS is Apple's loyal servant, does it really matter if their control is exacted server or client side? That line is pretty blurry when it comes to Apple in general.

Re: iPhone owners can leave EU for 30 days before they lose third-party app stores

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Post by pillusmany »

drewthestu wrote: post #41
samatman wrote: post #4

> Whether or not that will be something the European Commission takes issue with, remains to be seen. After all, an EU citizen is an EU citizen even after they leave the EU. I fail to see how this is in any way relevant. Cannabis is legal in Canada, and Canadians remain Canadian citizens abroad. If they're caught with cannabis in a country where it's illegal, they will be prosecuted for breaking the law. Laws don't f…

I think you have it a bit turned around. If I have a right under my country's laws based on my citizenship, my right doesn't cease to exist because I leave the country. For example, I continue to have 5th Amendment rights outside of the United States. Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957). I haven't read the decision that requires Apple to open up its devices to third party stores, but if that decision is somehow premise…

Criminal rights are a different thing.

There are tons of commercial rights EU citizens have which don't apply if you are an EU citizen living in US - for example warranty rights.

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