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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by incognos » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

bavell wrote: post #777

incognos wrote: post #710

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For the record, you do not have to occupy 100% to be an occupier. If you push the current residents out of their own homes and lands and occupy said land, you are an occupier regardless of the amount of land you occupy. The fact still stands, Israel has occupied Palestine since 1948. Also a fact, Israel invented terrorism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing )

Interesting, do you think illegal immigrants are occupiers? By your definition it would seem so.

If said illegal/legal immigrants took up arms, killed my population and declared a separate state in what was my state, then yes. But people crossing a border illegally just makes them immigrants without immigration approval.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by incognos » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:34 PM UTC

madsmith wrote: post #760

incognos wrote: post #710

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For the record, you do not have to occupy 100% to be an occupier. If you push the current residents out of their own homes and lands and occupy said land, you are an occupier regardless of the amount of land you occupy. The fact still stands, Israel has occupied Palestine since 1948. Also a fact, Israel invented terrorism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing )

Just leaving this here without making simplistic claims of what constitutes a fact. ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_terrorism )

My bad, I meant modern terrorism.

As a footnote, dynamite, which is used in terroristic endeavours, was invented by Alfred Nobel, the founder of the Nobel Peace Prize...

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by toyg » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:37 PM UTC

incognos wrote: post #739

toyg wrote: post #605

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> How does one become a "former Palestinian" I guess by obtaining a different citizenship and renouncing the original one, but tbh I expect parent poster meant folks who were born in another country from Palestinian parents.

Hardly, a Palestinian has no governing authority allowing it to issue a passport or proof of citizenship. This again is controlled by Israel. So your argument does not hold water. I found the use of the term "Former Palestinian" offensive. It implies that you are no longer such. Regardless of your citizenship, your ancestry defines your ethnic group. Palestinians are an ethnic group. Those born by parents of said eth…

> a Palestinian has no governing authority allowing it to issue a passport

Statelessness is technically illegal according to international treaties, so the lack of specific documentation does not necessarily means lack of citizenship. Besides, acceptance for new citizenship is determined by the new country, not the old.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by incognos » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:43 PM UTC

reducesuffering wrote: post #749

GordonS wrote: post #741

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There are no confirmed accounts of rape, and the NYT Hamas hit piece that is re-laundered daily by the MSM has signs (such as Anat Schwarz) of Israeli intelligence all over it. Regarding the UN report, it is not the smoking gun you seen to think it is, though I can see why you'd think differently if you only read the "highlights" from MSM - go ahead and read the report [0]: > As a result of the aforementioned challen…

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I have and have followed the fact versus the media "interpretations"

- https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2024/03/05/israel...

- https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-listening-post/2024/3/...

- https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1764395904335839699.html

- https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1765132760224846142.html

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by incognos » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:52 PM UTC

reducesuffering wrote: post #784

GordonS wrote: post #779

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> What happened to “believe women?” And where are the women whom we should believe? > You think in a sudden 1143 person civilian homicidal attack, going door to door, no rape happened Firstly, the latest figure from Israel is that 695 Israeli civilians were killed, with the rest being security forces. Of those 695, many were armed settlers. Secondly, the fact you assume rape did occur, especially in the total absence…

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Interesting that it does not bother you that Israel has been indiscriminately bombing civilians BEFORE October 7th as well as engaging in night raids all over the west bank, resulting in one of the deadliest years for Palestinians in the West Bank - again BEFORE October 7th. But somehow, their lives are worth less than the ones tragically lost on October 7th?

Second, as an occupier, there are no internal border. As the United States and Israel do not recognize a Palestinian state, they did not cross a border, they broke out of their concentration camp.

“In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified,” the report concluded.

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-r...

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by incognos » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:52 PM UTC

reducesuffering wrote: post #748

incognos wrote: post #729

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Where is your outrage for the ongoing rapes prior to october 7th and continuing to this day. ( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-isra... )

I abhor any rapes perpetuated against humans of any kind. Why are you deflecting my correction that GP’s “There is zero credible evidence that any rape took place” is wrong?

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-r...

“In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified,” the report concluded.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by inemesitaffia » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:54 PM UTC

incognos wrote: post #747

Auracle wrote: post #450

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You also forgot (6) fighting a force that doesn't wear uniforms.

They do... the qassam brigades ( https://duckduckgo.com/?q=qassam+brigades&atb=v340-1&iax=ima... ) Besides, not sure Israel would allow them to import the uniforms.

They can get them the same way they acquire other things

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by volleyball » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:56 PM UTC

givemeethekeys wrote: post #161

ciconia wrote: post #25

> Around 10% of Gaza's journalists have been killed versus 2.5% of healthcare workers. One possible explanation is that journalists have a much higher probability of being close to where the fighting is, than healthcare workers.

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Majority of Israelis civillians (>50%) killed on October 7th were reservists. Do you classify them as "not really civillians"?

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by protomolecule » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:56 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #609

sitkack wrote: post #429

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The vast majority of all deaths in the WW2 were Soviet. The Soviet Union really deserves the gold medal position for winning WW2.

Tbf, a lot of those victims were due to dubious strategic choices. They could have probably conceded Stalingrad, for example, and refused to simply because of the propaganda angle. That battle alone was an absolute meat-grinder, and didn't really have to be. But yes, the overall cost in human lives was higher for the Soviet Union than for any other country or federation.

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by incognos » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 4:58 PM UTC

kaba0 wrote: post #424

erokar wrote: post #259

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> They have an interest in this conflict that is not the same as Israel's. You are quite right, Israel's interest is to kill and displace the Palestinians, crush them as a people. Very few human right groups would have an interest that aligns with that.

That’s why they moved out of Gaza wholesale, removing settlers, just to have Hamas rise to power and attack?

You seem to have left out the 17 year blockade of Gaza by Israel, the intentional starvation of the population. The occasional bombings and "targeted" airstrikes... sure they just randomly attacked Israel one day because they felt like it...