The Brotherhood of Morons
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#42> What Taleb calls the Intellectual Yet Idiot (IYI) - someone who has the mannerisms and interests of a superficially intelligent person but who nonetheless is unable to self-reflect or deal with nuance, such as the Harvard-educated Ben Shapiro. I worked in Harvard Square for 5 years (dead center, across the street from Curious George, between the Greenhouse and the Coop), and it was always my assertion that Harvard…
Taleb's modus operandi is to be condescending towards others, read his Twitter account.
> I know many of you love this guy, and think he's a genius. I can assure you, none among you, are as impressed with his intelligence as he is. This guy is just insufferable. I've actually never witnessed a marriage of incompetence and confidence so fully and grotesquely consummated in the mind of a person with a public platform.
> This is the most arrogant person I have ever had the misfortune of meeting. When you meet him you quickly discover that he radiates a sense of grievance from his pores in a way that few people do. It's kind of like a preternatural force of negative charisma.
> He is a child in a man's body. And the mismatch between his estimation of himself and the quality of his utterances is so complete and so mortifying to witness in person that you just find you're jumping out of your skin.
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#43Good lord, I hope I never work with this person. It’s true that some people produce more output than others, but shitting all over under-performers just discourages and humiliates them. Absolute garbage human being behavior. The mature, productive move is to try to help. If you truly cannot level someone up you may need to make a difficult decision, but that doesn’t at all mean you need to be a huge dick.
I've been on the receiving end of this before. The problem is there are a lot of folks out there with tremendous subject matter intelligence, and often times they are pushed into management. A good amount of these folks don't really have the skills to deal with people as people, not as subordinates. They "teach" to the best of their ability, but this, sometimes, comes up short, and their way of dealing with the people they can't "teach" often involves making a tough decision. They don't think their way of doing things is dick-ish, and in my case, the person wasn't intentionally trying to be a dick, he just happened to act in a manner that made everyone think he was.
Human relationship dynamics are tricky, and doubly tricky in the working world. Everyone is different, and this can make things outright impossible when it comes to setting expectations and managing people in a uniform or case-by-case way.
Thankfully, I don't manage people for a living.
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#45> What Taleb calls the Intellectual Yet Idiot (IYI) - someone who has the mannerisms and interests of a superficially intelligent person but who nonetheless is unable to self-reflect or deal with nuance, such as the Harvard-educated Ben Shapiro. I worked in Harvard Square for 5 years (dead center, across the street from Curious George, between the Greenhouse and the Coop), and it was always my assertion that Harvard…
I grew up surrounded by Ivy leaguers. You could tell who came from money, and who made it on their own merit. Some of the wealthiest people I've ever met growing up were lower/middle class kids with tremendous academic intelligence AND street-smarts who made it to the ivies on their own merit and excelled from there. Some of the dumbest of that Ivy cohort were kids of exorbitantly wealthy, and due to their social class and connections, were pretty much promised a spot at one of the top schools. They aren't dumb in the sense that they are truly brainless...quite the opposite - they were good academically and often quite book-smart, but lacked every real-world marker of human intelligence; and would be the last person you'd want to hire or work with.
Harvard, Penn, Yale, etc... are places where the smart poor or smart middle class go to rub elbows with (and get jobs working for the parents of) wealthy idiots.
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#46I got part way through and quit. I appreciate the author's perspective, but I'm kind of tired of people so adamantly avoiding empathy. It's easy to say someone is acting stupidly; it's much harder to put yourself in their shoes and understand why they might be acting that way. I dunno, maybe there is some wisdom I missed because I didn't finish it.
I for example identified completely, and enjoyed the text. You might be thinking now "oh ok, another asshole to go with the first one", but let me try to justify my view. I believe that the stupid people he describes are not "accidentally" stupid, or simply people who don't know better. These are people who are willingly, intentionally stepping on other people's toes as a way of life. Some people are just like that: they don't see it as a fundamental, basic tenet of social life to respect others, solve problems through dialog and --- yes --- have empathy towards them. Some people think that bothering and pushing themselves (and their views) against others is their god-given right; as if manipulating those around you (in all the possible meanings of manipulation) is not only a valid attitude but possibly the only way to achieve anything. I don't feel bad to discriminate against such people. Actually, I think it's unfair and disrespectful to bundle them together with those who are honestly ignorant or dumb, who can't really help but do stupid things because they don't know better. If we can't have honest conversations about this, i.e. about the differentiation between these two groups, all we are doing is validating and reinforcing the behavior of the first group (by not holding them accountable).
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#47Good lord, I hope I never work with this person. It’s true that some people produce more output than others, but shitting all over under-performers just discourages and humiliates them. Absolute garbage human being behavior. The mature, productive move is to try to help. If you truly cannot level someone up you may need to make a difficult decision, but that doesn’t at all mean you need to be a huge dick.
> I'll be making some moves to rectify this, even if it means having to spend more energy working elsewhere - the risk of a fool destroying our department's budget and putting me out of a job is too high
So they will be moving away from their department to some other one. Based on their other blog posts, I am sure they will say it all diplomatically and without burning any bridges, with some made-up reason about passion or self-improvement or company vision.
This seems to be better for everyone - author will be happier, department they left might be happier too.
(Trying to level-up everyone is a noble goal, but is a very hard work. Trying to level-up someone who does not want or can not level up, all while you have your own tasks to do, is even worse and can be extremely demotivating. I don't blame author on changing department instead.)
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#48There's a lot of truth in this, but I struggle with the conclusion of "avoid stupid (destructive) people at all costs." While I don't doubt this is best for personal satisfaction and sanity, it feels lacking in compassion. An example: I have teenage children, and they have some friends in school who fit the stupid description from the article (destructive behaviors). They grew up in unstable homes and didn't have goo…
Pushing away everyone deemed to be stupid will be a lonely path, but it seems like there is some room in there to push some of those people away.
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#49I couldn't get through the whole insufferable mess, but I'm going to argue with this point. > The first type, my favourite commenters, whose grim-faced no-nonsense corporate visages grace standups across the world. Thanks to their fearless leadership and keen business sense, I have it on good authority that all projects are scheduled to move from red status to green status despite all those risks unfortunately materi…
I've seen this once in my career: one of the project directors claiming the certain project is fine in the face of opposite evidence, doing nothing while it went further and further off-track, until the customers (who have seen the status reports) asked for a deliverable and everything just collapsed. This was very amusing to see from the distance, but if I really cared about the project I would be very disheartened.
(But I would not call this director "moron" - they got their 7-figure salary for few years, and while they did lose their position, I am sure they will eventually find a new project to lead)
Re 2nd part of your message: 100% agree, never judge people by a single event, everyone has a bad day sometimes. However if that's your team-mate and you have a few month worth of experience working with them...
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#50I got part way through and quit. I appreciate the author's perspective, but I'm kind of tired of people so adamantly avoiding empathy. It's easy to say someone is acting stupidly; it's much harder to put yourself in their shoes and understand why they might be acting that way. I dunno, maybe there is some wisdom I missed because I didn't finish it.