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Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by hnenjoyer_93 »

KaiserPro wrote: post #29
7moritz7 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I reading this right in that Red has somehow managed to patent the idea of compressing 4K RAW footage on device which holds up the whole industry?

the patent is this one: https://patents.google.com/patent/US7830967B1/en Which looks like it's patenting debayering. However I'm not a patent lawyer so I don't know. I suspect that Nikon were using something like jpeg2000 to store raw frames, and thats why RED were getting all pissy.

Maybe, Redcode is based on JPEG2000

https://youtu.be/IJ_uo-x7Dc0

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by atoav »

justforasingle wrote: post #24

Pretty interesting. If you look on netflix approved camera list[0] there are none from Nikon. Personally I think RED cameras are overhyped and are a major reason most netflix shows all look and feel the same. I don't think its the colour grading or lenses - its something about the camera itself that just feels shit and doesn't give me the same access to a scene the same way something like sony's HDVS from 30 years ag…

Red cameras are overhyped, but picture quality is not the issue. It is very likely that what you describe is more due stylistic differences in lighting, color grading and editing than due to the camera itself — coming from someone who professionally had to match colors on films shot on multiple different cameras on more than one occasion.

Reliability is the main reason why Red cameras are overhyped, but you get good pictures and specs for the price, just like with black magic cameras but a notch higher. Most DOPs I know would go fo ARRI if given free choice.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

dylan604 wrote: post #19
bayindirh wrote: post #12

It's good for Nikon, IMO. Canon and Sony both have cine equipment. This will level the field. While I moved to Sony, I don't want to see dominance, but competition.

This will level the field? If you think Canon's cine options are equal to Red maybe it levels it. However, I think this tilts the field away from Canon to Nikon's favor while leaning more toward Sony as well than Canon. Maybe Canon can tilt it back in their favor if they were to buy Alexa.

Canon absolutely owns the video market, in many ways. Different context from RED, but you see Canon DSLR video cameras everywhere, especially consumer-level stuff, like streamcasters. Most videos you see, by semipro influencers, and whatnot, are recorded on Canon kit.

Also, the TV and movie industry makes heavy use of Canon DSLR kit for their work.

It’s an interesting acquisition, and I wish them luck. The rub will be cultural clash. I don’t know anything about RED’s culture, but I know a bit about Nikon’s. They are … less-than-flexible. Culture clash has been the fly in the ointment, for most of Nikon’s partnerships.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by audunw »

justforasingle wrote: post #24

Pretty interesting. If you look on netflix approved camera list[0] there are none from Nikon. Personally I think RED cameras are overhyped and are a major reason most netflix shows all look and feel the same. I don't think its the colour grading or lenses - its something about the camera itself that just feels shit and doesn't give me the same access to a scene the same way something like sony's HDVS from 30 years ag…

Maybe that's nostalgia.. I personally think the clips you shared look awful compared to any modern camera.

I seriously doubt the average person notices any difference between RED cameras and any other modern camera with roughly the same properties.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by jajko »

audunw wrote: post #34
justforasingle wrote: post #24

Pretty interesting. If you look on netflix approved camera list[0] there are none from Nikon. Personally I think RED cameras are overhyped and are a major reason most netflix shows all look and feel the same. I don't think its the colour grading or lenses - its something about the camera itself that just feels shit and doesn't give me the same access to a scene the same way something like sony's HDVS from 30 years ag…

Maybe that's nostalgia.. I personally think the clips you shared look awful compared to any modern camera. I seriously doubt the average person notices any difference between RED cameras and any other modern camera with roughly the same properties.

Not maybe, movies are simply shot in different ways, people expect different things. Nothing in this world is static.

Now its perfectly fine to dislike 'modern' approach, but in digital era that has absolutely nothing to do with some lens/sensor combo and everything how director decides given scene or whole movie should 'feel'.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by ryandamm »

unwind wrote: post #11
andy_ppp wrote: post #5

This could actually be pretty interesting, don’t RED have a patent on compressed raw video? I’m amazed that this patent is allowed but I guess we’ll see Nikon cameras with more advanced video features and probably increased difficulty offering ProRes compressed raw for other manufacturers. I hate software patents so much.

So uh compressed raw would be just like a regular (loss-less) compressed image format, then? I thought the distinction between raw and non-raw was the use of lossy compression formats like JPEG.

In the case of red’s patents, the relevant issue for RAW compression is that the sensor values are compressed before de-bayering. It’s still lossy.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by hef19898 »

atoav wrote: post #32
justforasingle wrote: post #24

Pretty interesting. If you look on netflix approved camera list[0] there are none from Nikon. Personally I think RED cameras are overhyped and are a major reason most netflix shows all look and feel the same. I don't think its the colour grading or lenses - its something about the camera itself that just feels shit and doesn't give me the same access to a scene the same way something like sony's HDVS from 30 years ag…

Red cameras are overhyped, but picture quality is not the issue. It is very likely that what you describe is more due stylistic differences in lighting, color grading and editing than due to the camera itself — coming from someone who professionally had to match colors on films shot on multiple different cameras on more than one occasion. Reliability is the main reason why Red cameras are overhyped, but you get good…

As a photographer I know next to nothing about film, let alone cinema. Hence the question, is ARRI gear really as good as people say, and as expensive?

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by robertlagrant »

jajko wrote: post #35
audunw wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's nostalgia.. I personally think the clips you shared look awful compared to any modern camera. I seriously doubt the average person notices any difference between RED cameras and any other modern camera with roughly the same properties.

Not maybe, movies are simply shot in different ways, people expect different things. Nothing in this world is static. Now its perfectly fine to dislike 'modern' approach, but in digital era that has absolutely nothing to do with some lens/sensor combo and everything how director decides given scene or whole movie should 'feel'.

Yeah Netflix definitely has a directing "style" across lots of its shows. Two things I've noticed are lots of shaky-cam shot as though someone's spying on the scene, when it's just the camera; and often a top down view from high up with loads of detail to showcase some visually impressive event, in mild slow-mo.
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