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Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by unwind » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 7:51 AM UTC

andy_ppp wrote: post #5

This could actually be pretty interesting, don’t RED have a patent on compressed raw video? I’m amazed that this patent is allowed but I guess we’ll see Nikon cameras with more advanced video features and probably increased difficulty offering ProRes compressed raw for other manufacturers. I hate software patents so much.

So uh compressed raw would be just like a regular (loss-less) compressed image format, then? I thought the distinction between raw and non-raw was the use of lossy compression formats like JPEG.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by bayindirh » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 7:51 AM UTC

It's good for Nikon, IMO. Canon and Sony both have cine equipment. This will level the field.

While I moved to Sony, I don't want to see dominance, but competition.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by hnenjoyer_93 » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 7:51 AM UTC

chaosprint wrote: post #4

first reaction is that in we will see raw inside nikon internal recording soon

Z8 and Z9 already record 8K60 12 bit RAW internally, but of course more cameras joining the list is welcome

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by Zetobal » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 7:51 AM UTC

Right years after RED lost it's competitive edge sounds exactly like the thing Nikon would do. The weapon was the last camera with an advantage and it's now 8 years old?

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by formerly_proven » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 7:55 AM UTC

Hahahaha

This means Nikon acquires a license to Canon’s mounts due to the prior RED patent trolling.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by Espressosaurus » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 8:04 AM UTC

unwind wrote: post #11

andy_ppp wrote: post #5

This could actually be pretty interesting, don’t RED have a patent on compressed raw video? I’m amazed that this patent is allowed but I guess we’ll see Nikon cameras with more advanced video features and probably increased difficulty offering ProRes compressed raw for other manufacturers. I hate software patents so much.

So uh compressed raw would be just like a regular (loss-less) compressed image format, then? I thought the distinction between raw and non-raw was the use of lossy compression formats like JPEG.

RAW is in linear light. Think spring-fresh, straight from the ADC.

JPEG is in perceptual (~log) light. Out of the tap, terrible.

It's also compressed.

There are lossless and lossy compressed RAW formats.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by pixelesque » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 8:11 AM UTC

Zetobal wrote: post #14

Right years after RED lost it's competitive edge sounds exactly like the thing Nikon would do. The weapon was the last camera with an advantage and it's now 8 years old?

Yeah... as someone in VFX who deals with plate footage from major films, in the past five years RED doesn't seem to be used that much these days: it's mostly ARRI/Sony...

I think I've even seen more footage from Panavision (which often do have RED sensors) than RED cameras...

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by dagmx » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 8:11 AM UTC

unwind wrote: post #11

andy_ppp wrote: post #5

This could actually be pretty interesting, don’t RED have a patent on compressed raw video? I’m amazed that this patent is allowed but I guess we’ll see Nikon cameras with more advanced video features and probably increased difficulty offering ProRes compressed raw for other manufacturers. I hate software patents so much.

So uh compressed raw would be just like a regular (loss-less) compressed image format, then? I thought the distinction between raw and non-raw was the use of lossy compression formats like JPEG.

RAW doesn’t denote compression, contrary to the name.

In Still cameras, it usually means pre-debayering.

On film cameras, it is a little more muddled but usually just means linear colourspace and higher bit depth.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by dylan604 » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 8:22 AM UTC

bayindirh wrote: post #12

It's good for Nikon, IMO. Canon and Sony both have cine equipment. This will level the field. While I moved to Sony, I don't want to see dominance, but competition.

This will level the field? If you think Canon's cine options are equal to Red maybe it levels it. However, I think this tilts the field away from Canon to Nikon's favor while leaning more toward Sony as well than Canon. Maybe Canon can tilt it back in their favor if they were to buy Alexa.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Post by dagmx » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 8:26 AM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #19

bayindirh wrote: post #12

It's good for Nikon, IMO. Canon and Sony both have cine equipment. This will level the field. While I moved to Sony, I don't want to see dominance, but competition.

This will level the field? If you think Canon's cine options are equal to Red maybe it levels it. However, I think this tilts the field away from Canon to Nikon's favor while leaning more toward Sony as well than Canon. Maybe Canon can tilt it back in their favor if they were to buy Alexa.

Canon don’t really care about the same cine market. Their bread and butter is more documentary, indie and news style shoots instead.

They’ve never shown an interest in competing outside of that.