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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by friendzis »

amarant wrote: post #677
friendzis wrote: post #548

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> I'd argue it stems from the interaction between ad revenue and SEO and the weird and unexpected incentives created in when mixing those 2. Personally, I highly dislike this handwaving of SEO. SEO is not some sinister agenda following secret cult trying to disseminate bullshit. SEO is just... following the rules set forth by search engines, which for quite a long time is effectively singlehandedly Google. Those "wei…

It's a classic case of "once a metric becomes a target, it ceases to be a good metric" To clarify, Google defines the metrics by which pages are ranked in their search results, and since everyone want to be at the top of Google's search results, those metrics immediately become targets for everyone else. It's quite clear to me that the metrics Google have introduced over the year have been meant to improve the qualit…

In a bit broader sense this situation is created by "enshitification", term coined by Cory Doctorow. Google itself, as a platform, has an incentive to rank higher sites that produce more ad spend. Googles has no incentive to rank "good" (by whatever definition) sites high, that do not spend money on ads themselves or do not contain ad space.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by hef19898 »

WalterBright wrote: post #937
lupire wrote: post #624

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The primary source of superiority in a war is "not being within reach of a enemy munitions". US does great in European wars for that reason, and is historically mostly free from North American wars because US dominates the whole continent.

The US dominates the whole continent because it is more free market.

The US dominates North America because after the war of independance no other power on the continent was left to oppose them. Militarily, that is.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by th3byrdm4n »

habosa wrote: post #716

Regardless of who is right here, I think the enormous egos at play make OpenAI the last company I’d want to develop AGI. First Sam vs. the board, now Elon vs. everyone … it’s pretty clear this company is not in any way being run for the greater good. It’s all ego and money with some good science trapped underneath.

Bingo. Pure, unadulterated ego

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by tsimionescu »

neom wrote: post #633
malermeister wrote: post #432

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EU accession isn't some jira story where you close tickets. For a country like Albania, it requires massive social, cultural, political and economical changes. There's no way anyone has a good estimate and there's no way an LLM has magically transformed the culture in a way that's a) meaningful and b) quantifiable. Turkey has been a candidate for 25 years now, with no meaningful progress.

Why could it not be 15 years for the cultural stuff and 10 years worth of paperwork process, I can imagine an LLM cutting that process in half if it involved hiring and training staff, or waiting for staff to become free from other work to build said paperwork. Out of everything they said in that email, the 5.5 years isn't something I'd pick on given, as you noted, the crazy timelines we're talking about to even be a…

Because these are made up numbers. No one knows how long it takes to change culture. The paperwork stuff is not like filling in a tax return, it's actually creating laws that fit into the Albanian legal system but implement EU legislation, and then passing those laws. It's defining new economic measures, getting those numbers, and then formulating legislation to improve them, and then actually implementing that legislation, and the improvements actually happening.

There are no real estimates on any of these numbers. Some countries joined the EU in months, others in 1-2 years, others took 5-10, Turkey has been in the process for two decades or so.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

lanstin wrote: post #795
BlueTemplar wrote: post #456

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Ok, I get how one might use a variety of other tools for informal communication, I don't really use e-mail for that any more either, but I'm curious, what else can you possibly use for work ? With the requirement that it must be easy to back up and transfer (for yourself as well as the organization), so any platforms are immediately out of question.

It's been five years since I expect my email to be read. If I lack another channel to the person, I'll wait some decent period and send a "ping" email. But for people I work with routinely, I'll slack or iMessage or Signal or even setup a meeting. Oddly, my young adult children do actually use email more so than e.g. voice calls. We'll have 10 ambiguous messages trying to make some decision and still they won't pick…

Yes, articles is what RSS is for. Could also set up a dedicated e-mail account / filter for that I guess...

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by BlueTemplar »

lupire wrote: post #596
mcculley wrote: post #569

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A point that I don’t think is being appreciated here is that email is still fundamental to communication between organizations, even if they are using something less formal internally. One’s nephew might not interact in a professional capacity with other organizations, but many do.

B2C uses texting. Even if B uses email, C doesn't read it. And that is becoming just links to a webapp. B2B probably still uses email, but that's terrible because of the phishing threat. Professional communication should use webapps plus notification pings which can be app notifications, emails, or SMS. People to people at different organizations again fall back to texting as an informal channel.

Last week a B lost me as their C because they didn't provide an e-mail address and their chat was too dumb to understand a simple question.

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Post by ben_w »

hef19898 wrote: post #952
WalterBright wrote: post #937

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The US dominates the whole continent because it is more free market.

The US dominates North America because after the war of independance no other power on the continent was left to oppose them. Militarily, that is.

I'd say the War of Independence is too early for that, at that point they still had the French, the Spanish, and quite a lot of the Native American tribes as relevant military opposition. Even the British were still on the continent as Canada didn't follow the 13 colonies, and war between the two did result in the White House getting burned down by British-Canadian forces prior to Canadian independence.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by hef19898 »

ben_w wrote: post #957
hef19898 wrote: post #952

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The US dominates North America because after the war of independance no other power on the continent was left to oppose them. Militarily, that is.

I'd say the War of Independence is too early for that, at that point they still had the French, the Spanish, and quite a lot of the Native American tribes as relevant military opposition. Even the British were still on the continent as Canada didn't follow the 13 colonies, and war between the two did result in the White House getting burned down by British-Canadian forces prior to Canadian independence.

True, I am not that well versed in American history without reading it up. In a sense the US got lucky, that events elsewhere opened them the door to take over North America: the Napoleonic Wars and the sale of the French territories, the Spanish decline as a major power...

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by hef19898 »

bbor wrote: post #897
hef19898 wrote: post #426

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I kind of understand that motivation, it is a once in a lifetime project, you are part of it, you want to finish it. Morals are hard in real life, and sometimes really fuzzy.

In this note: HIGHLY recommend “Rigor of Angels”, which (in part) details Heisenbergs life and his moral qualms about building a bomb. He just wanted to be left alone and perfect his science, and it’s really interesting to see how such a laudable motivation can be turned to such deplorable, unforgivable (IMO) ends. Long story short they claim they thought the bomb was impossible, but it was still a large matter of co…

Heisenberg makes you think, doesn't he? As the developer of Hitler's bomb, which never was a realistic thing to begin with, he never employed slave labour for example. Nor was any of his stuff used during warfare. And still, he is seen by some as some tragic figure, at worst as man behind Hitler's bomb.

Wernher vin Braun on the other hand got lauded for his contribution to space exploration. His development of the V2 and his use of slave labour in building them was somehow just a minor disgression for the, ultimately under US leadership, greater good.

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