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Russian deals don't look like what reasonable people think they should look like. They are only ever made to serve propaganda needs, you have fallen for it.
Sure, Russians are uniquely evil orcs. This is just propaganda for the rubes.
> This is just propaganda for the rubes.
Perhaps let's keep language like that on reddit?
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Everything Putin is doing is worsening Russia's security situation. As a direct result of Russia's war, NATO has expanded and Russia is now very much in China's pocket. China is quite happy to have Russia as a vassal state. Russia had a mini civil war with Prigozhin's rebellion. Russians have been killing Russians. Russia's life expectancy was already lower than that of developed countries and this pointless war of c…
These are simply US talking points, and not very good ones.
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Of course it's serious. It's serious enough for Ukrainians to be dying every day for the defense of their nation. Russians are dying every day too. Putin can save many Russian lives with a simple order to get out of Ukraine. Putin plainly values his vanity over the lives of the Russian people.
It's about Russian security, not Putin's vanity. Please try to raise the level of discourse beyond the boogyman propaganda so beloved of Hollywood. This is serious, deadly serious, and seeing it treated so lightly is painful.
It's not 1939 (as if their invasion of Poland was justifiable or is that not what you're claiming?). Nobody has been threatening Russian security for decades. Even back in the cold war does there were no serious plans to invade Russia itself.
> Please try to raise the level of discourse beyond the boogyman
That's sounds rather absurd... You're the one who's using propaganda bullet points like "It's about Russian security"?
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Oh BS it's security. Like they are threatened by a small peacefull country next door with a comedian elected as president to join the EU, when they have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and a dictator skilled in mass murder. >Western historians have calculated that, over the last 400 years of its existence, the Russian Empire expanded at an average rate of 50 square kilometers per day. ( https://www.themoscow…
The Russians were, as they made clear on multiple occasions, threatened by NATO moving into Ukraine and potentially placing missiles close to the Russian heartland.
It sounds like Putin doesn't care much about Russia's security and he's only making things worse.
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Oh BS it's security. Like they are threatened by a small peacefull country next door with a comedian elected as president to join the EU, when they have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and a dictator skilled in mass murder. >Western historians have calculated that, over the last 400 years of its existence, the Russian Empire expanded at an average rate of 50 square kilometers per day. ( https://www.themoscow…
The Russians were, as they made clear on multiple occasions, threatened by NATO moving into Ukraine and potentially placing missiles close to the Russian heartland.
> missiles close to the Russian heartland.
Any factual evidence? In any case you do realize there are Russian missiles in Kaliningrad so following the same logic you would agree that Poland/Germany/Sweden etc. have a legitimate right to invade it to demilitarize and "denazify" it (in this case of course for real because Russia at this point is literally a fascist state, it ticks all the boxes after all) following the same "logic"?
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Everything Putin is doing is worsening Russia's security situation. As a direct result of Russia's war, NATO has expanded and Russia is now very much in China's pocket. China is quite happy to have Russia as a vassal state. Russia had a mini civil war with Prigozhin's rebellion. Russians have been killing Russians. Russia's life expectancy was already lower than that of developed countries and this pointless war of c…
These are simply US talking points, and not very good ones.
Also why do you feel the need to make such pointless contributions?
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This is a lie
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So Boris Johnson single handedly changed the course of Ukraine’s history ? Or, equally likely, he just arrived with guarantees that weapon deliveries would be maintained ? Whether Russia presented a so called “peace deal” is irrelevant. The propaganda claim is Boris Johnson came in and somehow mind warped the Ukraine side. Which, like a lot of propaganda in this war, completely removes the agency from the Ukrainians.…
Whatever he arrived with, it changed the plans of the Ukrainian government. I don't see how it removes any agency from Ukraine, or why that would even be a meaningful statement.
So you're claiming that Ukrainian government was willing to give up all the annexed regions including the territories they still controlled? Because that's what Russia was demanding.
Do you have any evidence to back your claims?
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Every link of yours is a well-known spin. For example, Bennett has clarified that his words have been taken out of context and misrepresented, and Arahamiya has said that no-one on Ukrainian side belived that Russian peace plan was genuine and not a stalling tactic. Perhaps it would be a good idea to switch to sites that don't have "conservative" in their URL.
"Clarified" -- yes he walked it back under intense pressure. His words were in a long podcast you can listen to.
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To be clear, are you equating WW2 Japan to Ukraine here? Don't you see some major differences between the role of the two in their respective wars?
You are now moving the discussion from practicality to idealism. Doesn't really matter what ideals they have when they have to consider getting destroyed or not.