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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

I suppose they could do that, but wouldn't they still need to pay the 1.8B? [Added] ... And continue to support products and services already sold?

Why would they? They’d be beyond any courts jurisdiction, but of course they could never return.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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> According to Epic, Apple reportedly told the company that it’s “a threat to their ecosystem.” Note they're not saying Epic is a security threat or has a product that endangers Apple customers. Instead, they're calling Epic, the company itself, a threat to Apple's ecosystem . This quote makes sense, if you replace "ecosystem" with "monopoly."

Actually, replace "ecosystem" with "revenues".

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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I wonder why Apple doesn't open up. Or else just switch to a Costco model where membership means they get to dictate what’s sold at what margin using which credit card network?

Is the end game to force regulation on everyone (Google, etc) and then switch to a Costco model themselves?

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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post #43

Apple should get out of the European market entirely. Their product offering is literally incompatible with the laws that govern EU commerce. There's plenty of money to be made in Asia/Pacific and the Americas. Apple's walled-garden approach is innovative especially on the security and stability fronts and anyone who doesn't like that or wants alternative launchers should jailbreak their ios device or just use Androi…

They didn't get out of China despite having their iCloud servers owned by the CCP, don't worry they won't get out of the EU.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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I've spent ~$7000 on Apple products last year. I think it'll be $0 this year and going forward. Tired of this kind of crap. (Not only this, but Apple's behavior with EU, etc.)

I am an Apple customer because I have loved using a Mac since before Steve Jobs returned to Apple and made it a trendy luxury item. But I can no longer support with my money "90s Microsoft 2.0".

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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If I had a Customer that spent years relentlessly complaining about my Company, I know I wouldn't want to have them as a Customer. It does present an interesting question on whether a Company can be forced to have a bad actor as a Customer, I guess this will be decided in the lawsuits to come.

Criticizing defects in a product or criticizing a vendor's misbehavior doesn't make you automatically a "bad actor". A healthy vendor/customer relationship involves having channels where this criticism can be exchanged without putting the vendor or the customer in a bad position, and the criticism results in a better product. Instead, bug reports go into a black hole because Apple doesn't care, and they especially do…

Epic is trying not to call attention to it, but in the emails they published from Apple, Epic's history of violating an agreement with Apple was cited as why Apple has reason to not trust Epic. That may not be sufficient justification under EU law, but it's unquestionable that Apple has more underlying their concerns than just Epic's recent public complaining.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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> According to Epic, Apple reportedly told the company that it’s “a threat to their ecosystem.” Note they're not saying Epic is a security threat or has a product that endangers Apple customers. Instead, they're calling Epic, the company itself, a threat to Apple's ecosystem . This quote makes sense, if you replace "ecosystem" with "monopoly."

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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> According to Epic, Apple reportedly told the company that it’s “a threat to their ecosystem.” Note they're not saying Epic is a security threat or has a product that endangers Apple customers. Instead, they're calling Epic, the company itself, a threat to Apple's ecosystem . This quote makes sense, if you replace "ecosystem" with "monopoly."

I think it is to make Epic out to be the villain.

At the same time:

> This quote makes sense, if you replace "ecosystem" with "monopoly."

In the US, iPhone has a 57.93% market share. As of 2023, Android has a 70.29% global market share.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is flatly false. Schiller emailed Sweeney asking for assurances and Sweeney responded with: > Epic and its subsidiaries are acting in good faith and will comply with all terms of current and future agreements with Apple, and we'll be glad to provide Apple with any specific further assurances on the topic that you'd like. Without reply, Apple summarily terminated their developer account a week later. It seems obv…

> there haven't been any threatening noncompliance Do we have neutral sources for these claims and emails? Apple said Sweeney threatened to breach contract and didn’t repudiate in private. Epic claims it didn’t threaten and did repudiate. We’re in a he said she said absent independent sourcing.

The emails are from this post (https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-terminated-e...).

The source for the tweets (from your original comment: "Sweeney allegedly tweeted that he would breach his contract with Apple") are Sweeney's Twitter feed which you can read as well as I did. Did you find any threatening non-compliance?

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