We need % of revenue based punishment for such acts to see fast this attitude can change.
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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS
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#262> According to Epic, Apple reportedly told the company that it’s “a threat to their ecosystem.”
Note they're not saying Epic is a security threat or has a product that endangers Apple customers. Instead, they're calling Epic, the company itself, a threat to Apple's ecosystem.
This quote makes sense, if you replace "ecosystem" with "monopoly."
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#263I've spent ~$7000 on Apple products last year. I think it'll be $0 this year and going forward. Tired of this kind of crap. (Not only this, but Apple's behavior with EU, etc.)
Who you going to replace them with that's better/same level of ecosystem/user experience? Genuinely interested.
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#265If I had a Customer that spent years relentlessly complaining about my Company, I know I wouldn't want to have them as a Customer. It does present an interesting question on whether a Company can be forced to have a bad actor as a Customer, I guess this will be decided in the lawsuits to come.
In Europe there is the concept of “Forced to contract”. You can be forced to accept a customer. Applies to many monopolies.
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#266If I had a Customer that spent years relentlessly complaining about my Company, I know I wouldn't want to have them as a Customer. It does present an interesting question on whether a Company can be forced to have a bad actor as a Customer, I guess this will be decided in the lawsuits to come.
Criticizing defects in a product or criticizing a vendor's misbehavior doesn't make you automatically a "bad actor". A healthy vendor/customer relationship involves having channels where this criticism can be exchanged without putting the vendor or the customer in a bad position, and the criticism results in a better product. Instead, bug reports go into a black hole because Apple doesn't care, and they especially do…
> Criticizing defects in a product or criticizing a vendor's misbehavior doesn't make you automatically a "bad actor"
Doing so publicly certainly does. I would terminate business with a client if they started airing out their issues about me on Twitter.
That said, I’m not Apple. At a certain size, you lose the right to reject bad actors.
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#267I wouldn't pick a side in this one... it looks to me like there are two bad guys here, and I hope they both get taken down a peg.
Dismantling Apple's Appstore monopoly would positively impact the freedom of users and developers.
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#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft didn't have competition in the 90s. Apple has plenty of competition, they've just built up a competitive advantage which is their fully-integrated platform. Googles been trying to build one on the Pixel for years and haven't come close to their success. Apples been doing this "next level of nefarious" since the App Store's introduction in iPhoneOS 3.0, and it's been fine up to this point, otherwise the plat…
>Apple has plenty of competition What competition? Apple has a 87% market share amongst US teenage population[1], Epic's core gamer market. It's basically a monopoly amongst their core demographic which will grow up to be adults with jobs and paycheck and guess what they'll buy? More Apple. With [1] https://www.barrons.com/articles/apple-stock-teens-iphone-e5...
But is anyone prohibited from going out and buying an Android? I see plenty of Samsung ads on TV.
Does Apple stop you from downloading Signal and communicating with your Android friends that way?
It's called "competitive advantage" in the US.
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I wouldn’t want to do business in a place … And that's rather the point. Apple earns a lot of money in the EU and much of that seems to be through abusing their position. So yes, if you're the executive who signs off on something that is so clearly anticompetative, you should own the penalty. Ignorance of the law is not a defense. That, or leave.
It’s still to be determined if this is illegal.
It’s also to be determined whether somebody will go to jail for that and criminal law already errs on the side of defendant.
It changes the risk appetite, sure, but that’s the point.
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#270If I had a Customer that spent years relentlessly complaining about my Company, I know I wouldn't want to have them as a Customer. It does present an interesting question on whether a Company can be forced to have a bad actor as a Customer, I guess this will be decided in the lawsuits to come.
Why not? There will be more complaints because of your action