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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by pimterry »

bustling-noose wrote: post #55
retskrad wrote: post #3

Why are investors seemingly blind to the fact that Apple is fighting tooth and nail to protect their App Store revenue (while looking like jackasses in the court of public opinion and pissing off regulators and their relationship with developers) because if the App Store money in their pocket dries up, all hell breaks loose because all of their hardware products are no longer growing. The stock will crash and the exe…

The investors aren't interested in Apple selling more phones each year than previous. The investors are interested in people using the iPhone as a yearly or bi yearly upgrade cycle product in their life and giving Apple money without much bother and accepting it as a part of culture, especially American. I wouldn't have thought India, a country that is so price sensitive, would be a place you find so many iPhones. Bu…

> I wouldn't have thought India, a country that is so price sensitive, would be a place you find so many iPhones. But Indians love what America does and follow them blindly.

This is extremely wrong.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/india suggests Android has 95%+ market share in India (and largely unchanged for years).

https://www.statista.com/chart/22702/andoid-ios-market-share... lists India as one of the least iPhone-using countries in the world.

iPhone's are more than 3x more popular across Africa, South America and the rest of Asia than they are in India (https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/africa, https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/south-amer..., https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/asia).

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by itsdrewmiller »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #144
itsdrewmiller wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epic has a 12% fee, while Apple has a 30% fee - I don't think those are equally outrageous and I would go so far as to say one is extremely reasonable.

> Epic has a 12% fee, while Apple has a 30% fee Epic’s fee is global. Once you sign with them, you pay that on every install. There is also the 5% royalty, which brings the actual fee to 17% since we’re comparing non-small developer figures.

The 5% royalty is for using the unreal engine - they don't enforce that the engine be used in order to appear in their game store, nor do they enforce that unreal engine games can only be sold on their game store.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by dang »

lapcat wrote: post #76

Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39617729 (1 hour ago, 72 comments)

Normally we'd merge into the earlier thread, but in this case I'm going to merge those comments hither, because the current submission is (presumably) a more neutral article.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by lern_too_spel »

bluescrn wrote: post #103
mountainriver wrote: post #84

I may get rid of my iPhone, this is just horrible continued behavior on Apple’s part. Nothing can be worth the damage this is doing to their reputation

I'd rather people dump Apple products over their anti-repair practices or the whole concept of locked-downd devices tied to monopolistic App Stores, rather than the Apple vs Epic vs EU fight.

This is an Apple vs. developers fight. Epic is just the one spending money on it.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by Jensson »

lsaferite wrote: post #110
Jensson wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple says they did it for no reason other than that they could, not because Epic violated anything. > “Epic’s egregious breach of its contractual obligations to Apple led courts to determine that Apple has the right to terminate ‘any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion.’ In light of Epic’s past and ong…

> no reason other than that they could That's statement is wrong given the quote you posted right after. They clearly state it's due to perceived breaches of contractual obligations. FWIW, I have no horse in the race, just pointing out what I would assuming is a misapprehension in your statement.

That quote didn't show the whole part, I realized it looks a bit strange out of context there. Here I'll break it down with some more:

> Schiller suggests that Epic’s “colorful criticism” combined with its past actions “strongly suggests that Epic Sweden does not intend to follow the rules.”

So, the main transgression here was "colorful criticism", that is the ongoing behavior by epic, nothing about safety or contractual breeches. If they believed Epic would break contract they would have banned them 5 years ago when that breech happened, not now, nobody can argue that a 5 year old breech of contract on another account actually warrants a random ban of this account today.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by c-fe »

ergonaught wrote: post #102
hellcow wrote: post #83

Clearly the recent 1.8B Euro fine the EU levied against Apple didn't send a message. Perhaps the EU needs to ratchet it up by an order of magnitude.

More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

I think the main danger would be a (new?) competitor trying to become Apple, to fill the niche of premium devices, simple lineup, i.e. whatever image apple currently has. And they could do so in europe in all peace and once they are ready expand to other markets and compete with Apple. To me that seems like one of the biggest dangers of withdrawing from the EU.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by Jensson »

Despegar wrote: post #78
andersa wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epic doesn't care whether Apple shows "grace", or needs them to, they are going in by force with the backing of the EU legislation. It might just take a year or two longer to get through the courts. They can hold out that long without any problems, preparing their store in the background.

I'm not aware of any duty to deal in the DMA.

You don't have a duty to hire in USA, but you can still get in trouble for illegally firing someone for the wrong cause. Same applies here, this isn't rocket science.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by speedgoose »

ergonaught wrote: post #102
hellcow wrote: post #83

Clearly the recent 1.8B Euro fine the EU levied against Apple didn't send a message. Perhaps the EU needs to ratchet it up by an order of magnitude.

More likely, Apple needs to withdraw entirely from the EU and see what happens.

My guesses: A big party at Google, a wave of so-so smartphones from companies that will try their luck in the high-end smartphones segment, a grey market of iPhones imported from other countries at high prices without warranty.
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