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'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit

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Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit

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Why would anyone have chosen Oracle in the last... 10 years (let alone even further back)? It's expensive, and many things I read from customers hints at deep regret.

Having to use a software product that requires Oracle. This is the case in some industries.

Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit

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> A user of Oracle since the 1980s,

We all know about Resume-Driven Development and hopping to another company every 18 months, incidentally avoiding the consequences.

But a very different model is when people are entrenched in a shop where not only is there big legacy investment/lock-in that would be hard/prohibitive for the company to shed, but also the personnel's familiarity with the legacy setup gives job security. So there are multiple reasons to pay the Oracle Tax (and/or Microsoft Tax) and not disrupt the status quo.

Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit

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A few years ago, my then-employer (a smallish company, < 150 employees) had to deal with an Oracle compliance audit. I was shocked at the time to learn that there are companies (like Palisade Compliance mentioned in this article) that specialize in Oracle license compliance. We made it through just fine (in fact I believe we managed to get a small refund!), but having been through that (though not in any way directly…

> that specialize in Oracle license compliance Oh but it gets better. Many of them are ex oracle employees. It's a huge racket that exists for itself.

I have mentally trained myself that every time I read the word "Oracle", I replace it with "Larry Ellison needs a bigger yacht". Thus far, this has worked great for me in staying away from paying that organization even one dollar.

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Look, if you are already in business with Oracle then you have my condolences. But if you aren't in business with them then there is absolutely no world where you should ever under any circumstances consider getting into business with them. Nothing their database does can't be done with a different database. Even paying for a proprietary database can be done with a different party than Oracle. Do not, I repeat, do no…

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Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit

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post #17

Look, if you are already in business with Oracle then you have my condolences. But if you aren't in business with them then there is absolutely no world where you should ever under any circumstances consider getting into business with them. Nothing their database does can't be done with a different database. Even paying for a proprietary database can be done with a different party than Oracle. Do not, I repeat, do no…

Just dont go SAP about as bad as oracle haveing worked in both shops.

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post #33

> A user of Oracle since the 1980s, We all know about Resume-Driven Development and hopping to another company every 18 months, incidentally avoiding the consequences. But a very different model is when people are entrenched in a shop where not only is there big legacy investment/lock-in that would be hard/prohibitive for the company to shed, but also the personnel's familiarity with the legacy setup gives job securi…

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Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even Amazon had a hard time migrating. https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/amazon-databas... https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/migration-complete-amazons-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21258127 (Edit: 2019)

Do you happen to know when that took place? I can't seem to find any dates on that page

It was a multi year effort mainly around 2015/16 but extended into 2018 IIRC

Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit

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post #17

Look, if you are already in business with Oracle then you have my condolences. But if you aren't in business with them then there is absolutely no world where you should ever under any circumstances consider getting into business with them. Nothing their database does can't be done with a different database. Even paying for a proprietary database can be done with a different party than Oracle. Do not, I repeat, do no…

Just dont go SAP about as bad as oracle haveing worked in both shops.

I have no experience with SAP. But I've heard that you could just substitute SAP for Oracle in the above and it would be just as true.

Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit

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post #17

Look, if you are already in business with Oracle then you have my condolences. But if you aren't in business with them then there is absolutely no world where you should ever under any circumstances consider getting into business with them. Nothing their database does can't be done with a different database. Even paying for a proprietary database can be done with a different party than Oracle. Do not, I repeat, do no…

How is there such a big disconnect between HN opinion on Oracle and business use?

Is it maybe the least bad of all the bad options? Does it cover some edge cases which the obvious FOSS solutions don’t?

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