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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Epic perhaps thought Apple might show them grace after the lawsuit in the US. A kind of repeat of the Apple-Samsung litigation where everyone has a "it's just business" attitude and keeps doing business together while simultaneously suing each other. Apple on the other hand has decided they will show them no quarter. I don't think they're being emotional about it. I think it's to show every other developer that they…

Parts of Apple's DPLA are likely unenforceable in the EU going forward.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Epic perhaps thought Apple might show them grace after the lawsuit in the US. A kind of repeat of the Apple-Samsung litigation where everyone has a "it's just business" attitude and keeps doing business together while simultaneously suing each other. Apple on the other hand has decided they will show them no quarter. I don't think they're being emotional about it. I think it's to show every other developer that they…

Epic doesn't care whether Apple shows "grace", or needs them to, they are going in by force with the backing of the EU legislation. It might just take a year or two longer to get through the courts. They can hold out that long without any problems, preparing their store in the background.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Free speech" is all about the government not persecuting an individual for something they say. It offers no protection in a case like this between two non-government entities.

You are talking about the US's first ammendment. That doesn't exist in the EU.

True, but they raise a valid point in that even in the US, the government has no standing to intervene with private individuals limiting each others' speech contractually. NDAs are very much enforceable in the US.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Sounds like they violated a non disparagement clause and signaled they will not adhere to policy. All they had to do is keep quiet and launch to minimize their liability. Guess they will need to fight in the EU to see if they can claw back.

A non-disparagement clause is not valid under the DMA.

Do you have a legal citation for this assertion?

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Epic is learning the lesson that Nvidia had to learn. Apple holds grudges. Honestly, it was idiotic of them to expect anything else. Maybe they thought that they were more Samsung-like and after being a huge pain to apple, life will resume normalcy. Apple needed Samsung. They do not need Epic.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Shielding the Epic game store under a different account is not the bravest move from Epic. I would ban other Epic accounts if I was Apple.

Which Epic Games account would you prefer they use, the American one?

If you want to talk about cowardly behavior, we should discuss Apple's anti-steering policy. At the root of this brouhaha is an indefensible double-standard that Apple cannot sustain in a fair market.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Why are investors seemingly blind to the fact that Apple is fighting tooth and nail to protect their App Store revenue (while looking like jackasses in the court of public opinion and pissing off regulators and their relationship with developers) because if the App Store money in their pocket dries up, all hell breaks loose because all of their hardware products are no longer growing. The stock will crash and the exe…

Pretty sure the savvy investors know this. But why would they kill the golden goose?

A walled garden is difficult and expensive to maintain. In Apple's case, it also requires a constant battle against the public interest, because they've carved out various niches in domains that intrude on interoperability, consumer rights, privacy, censorship, surveillance, tax evasion, child slavery, and so on. If they cede ground, they lose money, so they develop and execute strategies that minimize or mitigate loss in conjunction with maximizing gain.

Apple has no principles or ethics or morals to which it is bound; it's governed by an optimization algorithm that pits the profit incentive against the constraints of resources, legislation, and their public image.

Apple's only as effective as the humans who execute their assigned roles within the overall algorithm, so the organization is subject to the usual human weaknesses and foibles.

Pride. Arrogance. Bullheadedness. Complacency.

If these weaknesses infect the culture, spreading across many roles, then many things can degrade and spin out of control. Apple is just as mortal and vulnerable as MySpace, Yahoo, Sears, Blockbuster, or any other big company or institution.

Without the advantages afforded by the unsavory, unethical, and unprincipled aspects of their business, Apple might not be able to maintain their walled garden effectively. Apple's particular variety of golden goose may not continue to be compatible with the markets in which it currently dominates, since much of the regulation, litigation, and legislation will focus on Apple's effects on the world.

Lots of things could happen outside their control that would kill the golden goose. Lots more things could happen if they fall prey to human failure modes.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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> Apple said one of the reasons they terminated our developer account only a few weeks after approving it was because we publicly criticized their proposed DMA compliance plan.

Not a valid reason to terminate it.

Are you believing a “trust me bro” comment?

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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I wonder why Apple doesn't open up their platforms to have everything best on their devices instead of fighting and agonising developers and governments. Yes yes, the commission is nice but they might be killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. I mean, Apple is amazingly good in some areas but in some other areas their products are used only because they don't give a choice and they intent to keep it this way. Th…

Steve hated industry standards.

The only time he ever said anything else was when every web site in the world ran on flash and iphone couldn't do flash.

Every iphone user was reminded daily about how kneecapped it is when they can't pull up the web site for the restaursnt to check hours or call up for a reservation. That kind of life experience was his entire focus and his showpiece product failed utterly at it.

And so he said flash is bad and html5 and pwa is the better way to do what flash does.

Since then they only say anything even slightly similar only as a defense against monopoly charges about native apps "what? you can use pwas" but only on Safari and castrated functionality.

If Steve could have sold a product that didn't even use the same tcp/ip and html as everyone else, he would have. The only time he allowed the tiniest shred of interoperability is when there is no way to sell the product without it.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Free speech" is all about the government not persecuting an individual for something they say. It offers no protection in a case like this between two non-government entities.

You are talking about the US's first ammendment. That doesn't exist in the EU.

>You are talking about the US's first ammendment.

Then the "freedom of speech" argument is even more irrelevant, in my mind.

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