Imagine a business in which you can treat your customers so badly that you can and do pull an audit on them.
'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit
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#12"a specialist advisory company helping clients deal with Oracle licenses" I would (naively, I know) imagine that if you need to hire a third party to help you sort out your licenses with a vendor, you would do whatever it takes to get rid of that vendor. It's almost as if Oracle wants their customers to ditch them the first chance they get.
oracle products aren't really products you can ditch in most cases. generally what it takes to get rid of them is to go out of business and be replaced by a business that isn't an oracle customer. i had a very interesting thread about that dynamic on here with pamar three weeks ago, which will be very interesting reading for anyone who is wondering why people don't ditch oracle https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39397513
Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit
#13> Earlier last year, it made changes to the Oracle Java SE subscription model, basing it on a per-employee metric many said would increase costs for users. Would running Java under Corretto 21 change this?
Yes, all of this Oracle Java licensing drama only applies if you're using the Oracle JDK. The vast majority of people can just use a JDK from any of the other vendors and tell Oracle to pound sand. Even if you do need paid support, you should pay Azul instead of Oracle, just out of principle.
also they can use the openjdk from oracle
Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit
#14> "We decided that we had a minimal amount [of Java]. We came up with a non-Oracle based architecture for development and we implemented a policy that pointed towards the other development platform and we evaluated methods to discourage or prevent the download of Java software,"
Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit
#15Oracle's favourite phrase seems to be "You're out of compliance", and their only solution is for you to pay more.
And if they can’t say that (ie when it’s not true), they will intimate that you might be out of compliance, and hope you’re worried enough to just pay more anyway.
But have they got a 27B-6?
Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit
#16"a specialist advisory company helping clients deal with Oracle licenses" I would (naively, I know) imagine that if you need to hire a third party to help you sort out your licenses with a vendor, you would do whatever it takes to get rid of that vendor. It's almost as if Oracle wants their customers to ditch them the first chance they get.
Once you're using an Oracle database, you are probably using proprietary Oracle features, SQL syntax, client libraries, etc. The first chance you get might be a while. I once worked on a project porting an app from Oracle to another commercial DB. When Oracle is deeply embedded in your applications, it's easier said than done.
It's a good thing there aren't numerous open source alternative databases that can be hosted by numerous other services then.
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#17Look, if you are already in business with Oracle then you have my condolences. But if you aren't in business with them then there is absolutely no world where you should ever under any circumstances consider getting into business with them.
Nothing their database does can't be done with a different database. Even paying for a proprietary database can be done with a different party than Oracle. Do not, I repeat, do not do business with Oracle under any circumstances.
If you are already an Oracle customer and you have the opportunity to drop them from your stack. Do not hesitate, Do not pause, Immediately take that opportunity. There is no downside only upside in not doing business with Oracle.
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#18Let's say you're going through an Oracle audit.
Short of imagining some long ongoing legal action, is there really any incentive for Oracle to be truthful about anything?
It seems like this entire auditing system is just a wildcard as far as time / money sunk into the auditing process and Oracle can deploy it at will...
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#19Why would anyone have chosen Oracle in the last... 10 years (let alone even further back)? It's expensive, and many things I read from customers hints at deep regret.
Re: 'We had to educate Oracle about our contract,' CIO says after Big Red audit
#20"a specialist advisory company helping clients deal with Oracle licenses" I would (naively, I know) imagine that if you need to hire a third party to help you sort out your licenses with a vendor, you would do whatever it takes to get rid of that vendor. It's almost as if Oracle wants their customers to ditch them the first chance they get.
Even Amazon had a hard time migrating.
https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/amazon-databas...
https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/migration-complete-amazons-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21258127 (Edit: 2019)