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EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Post by baud147258 »

lm28469 wrote: post #8
mike_hock wrote: post #2

The difference between now and then is that you're reading this on a screen instead of on paper. That, and it's gonna be different factions fighting. But the ramp-up was in the news for several years then, too. I never thought I'd live to see this, I thought this only happened in history books.

> I thought this only happened in history books. Just like western EU governments apparently. It turns out governing a country isn't just about balancing an excel spreadsheet of incomes and spendings, which seems to be the only thing our elites have bee trained for in the last 40 years

> balancing an excel spreadsheet of incomes and spendings, which seems to be the only thing our elites have bee trained for in the last 40 years

And they seem quite bad at it, considering the state of the various balances they are supposed to maintain (or at least those in France where I live)

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Post by argentier »

mopsi wrote: post #86
argentier wrote: post #63

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> There is quite a bit of evidence No, there isn't, the whole conspiracy theory lies on a few sentences taken out of context. Spend an hour vetting sources and you'll find that it's a Russian PR spin without any substance. Anyone can "prove" with public statements from top officials that the US goverment is run by aliens from outer space, if they can take three sentences of their choice out of context and freely igno…

Don't be ridiculous. There are interviews with both sources that are available online.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Post by argentier »

kuratkull wrote: post #89
argentier wrote: post #53

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Russian deals don't look like what reasonable people think they should look like. They are only ever made to serve propaganda needs, you have fallen for it.

Sure, Russians are uniquely evil orcs.

This is just propaganda for the rubes.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Post by argentier »

kranke155 wrote: post #69
argentier wrote: post #63

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So Boris Johnson single handedly changed the course of Ukraine’s history ? Or, equally likely, he just arrived with guarantees that weapon deliveries would be maintained ? Whether Russia presented a so called “peace deal” is irrelevant. The propaganda claim is Boris Johnson came in and somehow mind warped the Ukraine side. Which, like a lot of propaganda in this war, completely removes the agency from the Ukrainians.…

Whatever he arrived with, it changed the plans of the Ukrainian government. I don't see how it removes any agency from Ukraine, or why that would even be a meaningful statement.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Post by argentier »

tim333 wrote: post #100
argentier wrote: post #66

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It's about Russian security, not Putin's vanity. Please try to raise the level of discourse beyond the boogyman propaganda so beloved of Hollywood. This is serious, deadly serious, and seeing it treated so lightly is painful.

Oh BS it's security. Like they are threatened by a small peacefull country next door with a comedian elected as president to join the EU, when they have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and a dictator skilled in mass murder. >Western historians have calculated that, over the last 400 years of its existence, the Russian Empire expanded at an average rate of 50 square kilometers per day. ( https://www.themoscow…

The Russians were, as they made clear on multiple occasions, threatened by NATO moving into Ukraine and potentially placing missiles close to the Russian heartland.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Post by argentier »

peutetre wrote: post #67
argentier wrote: post #66

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It's about Russian security, not Putin's vanity. Please try to raise the level of discourse beyond the boogyman propaganda so beloved of Hollywood. This is serious, deadly serious, and seeing it treated so lightly is painful.

Everything Putin is doing is worsening Russia's security situation. As a direct result of Russia's war, NATO has expanded and Russia is now very much in China's pocket. China is quite happy to have Russia as a vassal state. Russia had a mini civil war with Prigozhin's rebellion. Russians have been killing Russians. Russia's life expectancy was already lower than that of developed countries and this pointless war of c…

These are simply US talking points, and not very good ones.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Post by torlok »

type0 wrote: post #80
torlok wrote: post #12

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I live close to the border with Ukraine and I have no idea what you're talking about. Beyond it being a little harder to get an apartament due to the influx of Ukrainian migrants, it's business as usual. And I've not heard of any job market woes. The worst thing right now, and since a while, is farmers getting shafted by cheap grain imports from Ukraine due to lax control at the border, no tracking, and no punishment…

> is farmers getting shafted by cheap grain imports from Ukraine due to lax control at the border, no tracking, and no punishments for buyers. they say that and yet much larger traffic of grain from Russia somehow doesn't hurt those farmers?! maybe it's because a lot of it is stolen Ukrainian grain so everyone should be hush shush about it

For 2023, the grain imported from Russia to Poland amounts to 1.2% of the grain imported from Ukraine. Should be 0%, but it's definitively not "much larger". How are you comforable with just making things up like that.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Post by ianburrell »

The_Colonel wrote: post #15
hackandthink wrote: post #13

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I lack fighting spirit, don't want to spend money for weapons and I'm not afraid of Russia (live in Germany). There is a lot of fear mongering. Ukraine should make a deal instead of sacrificing people without limits. So many people died, for loosing later. If they wait too long there won't be any deal.

> Ukraine should make a deal instead of sacrificing people without limits. Imagine you're an Ukrainian. Is there a deal which you would not accept and rather continue fighting or would you accept literally any deal (including unconditional surrender)?

I find it interesting that it is always Ukraine that should surrender and not sacrifice their people. When Russia is sacrificing its people in pointless invasion that has been stuck in stalemate for a year.

They could end the war, and their suffering, tomorrow. They probably could even negotiate keeping Crimea.

Re: EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

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Post by armitron »

tim333 wrote: post #100
argentier wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about Russian security, not Putin's vanity. Please try to raise the level of discourse beyond the boogyman propaganda so beloved of Hollywood. This is serious, deadly serious, and seeing it treated so lightly is painful.

Oh BS it's security. Like they are threatened by a small peacefull country next door with a comedian elected as president to join the EU, when they have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and a dictator skilled in mass murder. >Western historians have calculated that, over the last 400 years of its existence, the Russian Empire expanded at an average rate of 50 square kilometers per day. ( https://www.themoscow…

Are you aware of the Monroe doctrine? Cuban missile crisis? Can you imagine the US reaction if Russia placed missiles in Canada or Mexico?

Mearsheimer explains the perceived threat aspect very well: it doesn't matter what YOU, the Americans or any outside observer thinks. What does matter is what the Russians think, and they've made their thinking on having Ukraine be part of NATO very clear.

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