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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by jstummbillig »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #664
jstummbillig wrote: post #455

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AI/AGI is a multiplier. There could have been a world where just Google builds that multipler and only uses it internally. Making that multiplier publicly available can be the "Open" part. I understand that this particular audience is very sensitive about the term, but why are we being so childish about it? Yes, you can name your company whatever you want within reason. Yes, it does not have to mean anything in parti…

I'm just surprised how the entire tech world has been fooled into thinking AGI is around the corner.

What you think "AGI" and "around the corner" means might very well not be.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by danans »

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Call me a capitalist, but I trust several of them competing with each other under the enforcement of laws that impose consequences on them if they produce and distribute content that violates said laws.

so regulation then?

Competition and regulation

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by hef19898 »

pton_xd wrote: post #705
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It is not to glorify the Soviet system. Looking back so, from the end of the Stalin era to, say, the mid-70s, the USSR did compete rather well so: - military and space tech was mostly on par (a bunch conflicts, incl. Vietnam, show that) - economically, the USSR was stable - people were not starving Of course, the was less luxury and consumerism, but that was true for a lot of other countries as well in Western Europe…

"Stable and not dying" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of a system. And anyway, they had no freedom, which is the real issue. Communist governance is fundamentally opposed to liberty; the system can't allow it.

I never endorsed it, just pointed out that it worked, it was not the fundamental failure some people want to make it.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by DebtDeflation »

Reubend wrote: post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

When they say "We realized building AGI will require far more resources than we’d initially imagined" it's not just money/hardware it's also time. They need more years, maybe even decades, for AGI. In the meantime, let's put these LLMs to good use and make some money to keep funding development.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by the_mar »

jstummbillig wrote: post #695
tcgv wrote: post #595

This post is a lame PR stunt, which will only add fuel to the fire. It tries to portray openAI as this great bennefactor and custodian of virtue: > “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...” > I've seen you (and Sam and other OpenAI people) d…

Assume good intentions and nothing of substance being hidden: Is there any way to be transparent here that would have satisfied you or are you essentially asking for them to just keep to themselves or something else?

Oh, honey. Never assume good intentions when lawyers are involved

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by deepsun »

qarl wrote: post #599
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #590

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This looks like one of the steps leading to the fulfilment of the iron law of bureaucracy. They are putting the company ahead of the goals of the company. "Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy…

> They are putting the company ahead of the goals of the company. I don't follow your reasoning. The goal of the company is AGI. To achieve AGI, they needed more money. What about that says the company comes before the goals?

You can say that about any initiative: "to achieve X they need more money". But that's not necessarily true.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by pixl97 »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #612
lynx23 wrote: post #464

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But yourr nephew likely also uses TikTok, right? Not everthing the young do is a trend others should follow.

That's not really the argument, is it? The argument is most young people are using TikTok and will never use email for social things.

I mean, is another argument not "Soon the tok will be filled with it's own AI generated shit?"

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Post by NeutralCrane »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #411
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Millions of people including one side of my family have experienced the opposite. They were tenant farmers living in poverty, barely subsisting, before the hard left socialists both 1. developed the economy enough to give them jobs, 2. provided social safety nets such as tax payer paid healthcare so they wouldn't go bankrupt every time they needed to buy medicine or visit a doctor. If the country had never gone that…

Many of those same peasants ended up dying in Soviet-era famines as well. I agree with you, the pre-communist revolution Russia was a living hell for many peasants, but it’s hard to say it was the “communist” aspect of the “communist revolution” that improved things, as opposed to the “revolution” aspect. What was needed was an overthrow of the existing power structures to enable modernization and industrialism, communist or not. Keep in mind other nations, like Japan, made even greater leaps out of feudalistic societies to modern economies. For Japan, it too required a dismantling of the existing power structures (first voluntarily at the turn of the century, and then by force after WWII), with no communism involved at all.

It’s possible communism had a uniquely positive influence on Russia’s transformation, but I remain skeptical considering it seems to be the only example of communism to ever to do so, the place from which Russia was coming, and the place in which it ended.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by lubesGordi »

I'm not an ML guy but does it actually matter that OpenAI doesn't disclose it's source? Who cares? They proved the transformer arch and everyone knows how to replicate what they did. That's pretty open. The sauce is the alignment and maybe that's what 'people' are mad about, I don't know.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by 20after4 »

WalterBright wrote: post #482
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They haven't all failed. I hear about REI quite a lot. Rainbow Grocery is quite popular in SF. I hear good things about Organic Valley. Equal Exchange is in Massachusetts. It's popular to bank at a credit union instead of a bank. The NCBA maintains a list of several thousand collective/coop businesses. https://ncbaclusa.coop/

I was using collective in the sense of being a commune. Sorry about not being clear.

https://www.eastwind.org/ is just a few miles from me. It's quite successful, they even operate a business that grosses ~$2M/year and they provide their members with health insurance. I'm not keen on giving up my possessions to join the collective but I can think of a lot of worse ways to live.

Most definitely not a failure.

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