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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by mistermann »

flohofwoe wrote: post #382
DrSiemer wrote: post #357

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So you still believe the open internet has any chance of surviving what is coming? I admire your optimism. Reliable information and communication will soon be opt-in only. The "open internet" will become an eclectic collection of random experiences, where any real human output will be a pleasant, rare surprise, that stirs the pot for a short blip before it is assimilated and buried under the flood.

The internet will be fine, social media platforms will be flooded and killed by AI trash, but I can't see anything bad with that outcome. An actually 'open internet' for exchanging ideas with random strangers was a nice utopia from the early 90's that had been killed long ago (or arguably never existed).

> The internet will be fine, social media platforms will be flooded and killed by AI trash

In a battle between AI and teenage human ingenuity, I'll bet my money on the teenagers. I'd even go so far as to say they may be our only hope!

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by mistermann »

lynx23 wrote: post #464
flohofwoe wrote: post #424

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Email might already be 'culturally dead' though. I guess my nephew might have an email address for the occasional password recovery, but the idea of actually communicating over email with other humans might be completely alien to him ;) Similar in my current job btw.

But yourr nephew likely also uses TikTok, right? Not everthing the young do is a trend others should follow.

You think usage of TikTok is necessarily a trend that others should not follow? Do you say this as a sophisticated, informed user of the platform?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by ben_w »

fallingknife wrote: post #547
ben_w wrote: post #434

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The moment they are good hackers, everyone has a trivially cheap hacker. Hard to predict what that would look like, but I suspect it is a world where nobody is employing software developers because a LLM that can hack can probably also write good code. So, do you want future LLMs to be restricted, or unlimited? And remember, to prevent this outcome you have to predict model capabilities in advance, including "tricks"…

The moment LLMs are good hackers every system will be continuously pen tested by automated LLMs and there will be very few remaining vulnerabilities for the black hat LLMs to exploit.

> The moment LLMs are good hackers every system will be continuously pen tested by automated LLMs

Yes, indeed.

> and there will be very few remaining vulnerabilities for the black hat LLMs to exploit.

Sadly, this does not follow. Automated vulnerability scanners already exist, how many people use them to harden their own code? https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/gambleforce-websi...

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

jstummbillig wrote: post #455
carlossouza wrote: post #108

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> The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science... Based on this line of reasoning, ANY company that builds any given technology and intends to share (sell) it to the world, but not divulge how it was done, can call itself OpenWhatever. They are clearly saying that the word “Open” in their name means nothing.

AI/AGI is a multiplier. There could have been a world where just Google builds that multipler and only uses it internally. Making that multiplier publicly available can be the "Open" part. I understand that this particular audience is very sensitive about the term, but why are we being so childish about it? Yes, you can name your company whatever you want within reason. Yes, it does not have to mean anything in parti…

I'm just surprised how the entire tech world has been fooled into thinking AGI is around the corner.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by geniium »

Reubend wrote: post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

Thanks for pointing that out. 100% agree with you.

What can we do?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by timeon »

simondotau wrote: post #637
jrflowers wrote: post #416

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> They are clearly saying that the word “Open” in their name means nothing. Similarly Micro soft makes incredibly large software and my letters about this have gone unanswered

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcomputer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Azure

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by dbspin »

elif wrote: post #583
mort96 wrote: post #575

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Nah, the harm from these LLMs are mostly in how freely accessible they are. Just pay OpenAI a relatively tiny fee and you can generate tonnes of plausible spam designed to promote your product or service or trick people into giving you money. That's the primary problem we're facing right now. The problem is... keeping them closed source isn't helping with that problem, it only serves to guarantee OpenAI a cut of the…

Pandora's box is already open on that one.. and none of the model providers are really attempting to address that kind of issue. Same with impersonation, deepfakes, etc. We can never again know whether text, images, audio, or video are authentic on their own merit. The only hope we have there is private key cryptography. Luckily we already have the tools for this, NFT in the case of media and DKIM in the case of your…

NFT's as currently employed only immutably connect to a link - which is in itself not secure. More significantly, no blockchain technology deploys to internet scale content creation. Not remotely. It's hard to conceive of a blockchain solution fast enough and cheap enough -- let alone deployed and accepted universally enough, to have a meaningful impact on text / video and audio provenance across the internet given the pace of uploading. It also wouldn't do anything for the vast corpus of existing media, just new media created and uploaded after date X where it was somehow broadly adopted. I don't see it.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by scarygliders »

ben_w wrote: post #527
scarygliders wrote: post #483

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Unfortunately you've been misled by the BBC. Please read this: https://order-order.com/2024/03/05/bbc-panoramas-disinformat... Those AI generated photos are from a Twitter/X parody account @Trump_History45 , not from the Trump campaign as the BBC mistakenly (or misleadingly) claim.

> Those AI generated photos are from a Twitter/X parody account @Trump_History45 , not from the Trump campaign as the BBC mistakenly (or misleadingly) claim. They specifically said who they came from, and that it wasn't the Trump campaign. They even had a photo of one of the creators, whom they interviewed in that specific piece I linked to, and tried to get interviews with others.

Look at the BBC article...

Headline: "Trump supporters target black voters with faked AI images"

@Trump_History45 does appear to be a Trump supporter. However, he is also a parody account and states as such on his account.

The BBC article goes full-on with the implication that the AI images were produced with the intent to target black voters. The BBC is expert at "lying by omission"; that is, presenting a version of the truth which is ultimately misleading because they do not present the full facts.

The BBC article itself leads a reader to believe that @Trump_History45 created those AI images with the aim of misleading black voters and thus to garner support from black voters in favour of Trump.

Nowhere in that BBC article is the word "parody" mentioned, nor any examination of any of the other AI images @Trump_History45 has produced. If they had, and had fairly represented that @Trump_History45 X account, then the article would have turned out completely different;

"Trump Supporter Produces Parody AI Images of Trump" does not have the same effect which the BBC wanted it to have.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by mlrtime »

myaccountonhn wrote: post #621
mlrtime wrote: post #608

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I prefer Slack over email... coming from using Outlook for 20+ years in a corporate environment, slack is light years beyond email in rich communication. I'm trying to think of 1 single thing email does better than slack in a corporate communication. Is slack perfect? Absolutely not. I don't care that I can't use any client I want or any back end administration costs or hurdles. As a user, there is no comparison.

I absolutely loathe it but I respect that many like it. Personally I think Zullip or Discourse are a better solutions since they provides similar interface to Slack but still have email integration so people like me who prefer email can use that. The thing I hate the most is that people expect to only use Slack for everything, even where it doesn't make sense. So they will miss notifications for Notion, Google Doc, C…

I agree notifications in Slack are limited...

But no better than email again. You just get notified if you have a email or not [depending on the client you're forced to use]. I have many email rules that just filter out nonsense from github, google and others so my inbox stays clean.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by SpaceManNabs »

The title of the post made me think it was going to be a blog post from a third party commentator. For OpenAI to write such a blog post is so petty and desperate.

It is clear that they are full of it.

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