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Call me a capitalist, but I trust several of them competing with each other under the enforcement of laws that impose consequences on them if they produce and distribute content that violates said laws.
Wait but who codifies the ethics in that setup? Wouldn’t it still be, at best, an agreement among the big players?
OpenAI and Elon Musk
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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#652Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google is a for-profit, they never took donations with the goal of helping humanity.
"Don't be evil" was codified into the S-1 document Google submitted to the SEC as part of their IPO: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288776/000119312504... """ DON’T BE EVIL Don’t be evil. We believe strongly that in the long term, we will be better served—as shareholders and in all other ways—by a company that does good things for the world even if we forgo some short term gains. This is an important aspect…
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#653> Elon understood the mission did not imply open-sourcing AGI. As Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...”, to which Elon replied: “Yup”. Wow the most open OpenAI has ever been is when someone sue them. On the other hand, th…
In my eyes this is a straw argument. "[T]otally OK not to share the science." I think the reasonable average person would disagree with that. And, it would go against certain goal & financial transparency principles that the IRS demands to bestow the 501(c)3 designation. (e.g. see here https://www.citizen.org/article/letter-to-california-attorne... )
The fact that these two statements have opposing ideals really highlights the hypocrisy of these billionaires. Ilya’s statement is just them trying to convince themselves that what they’re working on is still a noble cause even if OpenAI isn’t actually “Open”.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
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You can choose to remember the past any way you wish. Don’t be surprised when people start ignoring you because of your warped view on the world.
He is right about the fact that the Central Powers were fatally spent by summer 1918, though. Austria-Hungary alone was on the brink of collapse without ever engaging American troops in a large-scale battle, and its collapse would have brought the already weakened Kaiserreich down as well.
It's not surprising German troops starving in trenches for four years considered brand new entrants to the war equipped with the newest French-designed and manufactured tanks[1] to be well fed and equipped, though there was nothing spectacular about their combat performance. There's no doubt that weight of American numbers helped accelerate the timescale for winning the war, but it's difficult to imagine anything that has less to do with laissez faire capitalism than the scale of the US draft...
[1]The US decided to produce their own tanks in 1917, but manufacturing issues meant their first arrived two days after the Armistice so they relied on French units
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
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Unfortunately Slack is what is used at places I've worked at.
I prefer Slack over email... coming from using Outlook for 20+ years in a corporate environment, slack is light years beyond email in rich communication. I'm trying to think of 1 single thing email does better than slack in a corporate communication. Is slack perfect? Absolutely not. I don't care that I can't use any client I want or any back end administration costs or hurdles. As a user, there is no comparison.
- Long form discussion where people think before responding.
- Greater ability to filter/tag/prioritize incoming messages.
- Responses are usually expected within hours, not minutes.
- Email does not have a status indicator that broadcasts whether I am sitting at my desk at that particular moment to every coworker at my company.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
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Most of those examples make sense, but what's this doing on your list? > chatbots that replace real-time human customer service but have none of the agency That seems good for society, even though it's bad for people employed in that specific job.
I've been running into chatbots that are confined to doling out information from their knowledgebase with no ability to help edge case/niche scenarios, and yet they've replaced all the mechanisms to receive customer support. Essentially businesses have (knowingly or otherwise) dropped their ability to provide meaningful customer support.
Even quite a lot of new chatbots are still in that paradigm, and… well, given the recent news about chatbot output being legally binding, it's precisely the extra agency of LLMs over both normal bots and humans following scripts that makes them both interestingly useful and potentially dangerous: https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240222-air-canada-chatb...
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#657Did people really think leading the development of the most important invention in human history wouldn’t involve a little bit of drama? I know everyone wants OpenAI to be a magical place that open sources their models the moment they’re done training, but it’s clear that they’ve chosen a reasonable path for their business based on both practicality and risk reduction. If they had gone another way, today they’d be an…
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
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Yes, I'd say so. With the exception of drug availability issues, which started if I am not mistaken in the mid to late 70s (basically when the USSR started to really fall behind the West technologically), those aspects worked reasonably well in the USSR. And before someone says Venezuela or North Korea, the former is a deeply corrupt cleptocracy while the latter used to be the last stone-age version of Stalinism befo…
You've said "reasonably well" a couple times here.... I think there can be book written between the gap of "reasonably well" and "prosperous". And these things are all relative of course... if "reasonably well" is the best in the world at the time, then great. But when you have another system to compare to at the same time, "reasonably well" falls apart very quickly. I'm not sure if you lived in a Soviet country duri…
- military and space tech was mostly on par (a bunch conflicts, incl. Vietnam, show that)
- economically, the USSR was stable
- people were not starving
Of course, the was less luxury and consumerism, but that was true for a lot of other countries as well in Western Europe. It started to fall behind latest by the early 80s on all metrics.
And for Soviet leadership, personal luxuries for the people were simply no priority. And there is no question which system "won" this conflict, is there?
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#659Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been running into chatbots that are confined to doling out information from their knowledgebase with no ability to help edge case/niche scenarios, and yet they've replaced all the mechanisms to receive customer support. Essentially businesses have (knowingly or otherwise) dropped their ability to provide meaningful customer support.
That's the previous status quo; you'd also find this in call centres where customer support had to follow scripts, essentially as if they were computers themselves. Even quite a lot of new chatbots are still in that paradigm, and… well, given the recent news about chatbot output being legally binding, it's precisely the extra agency of LLMs over both normal bots and humans following scripts that makes them both inter…
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#660Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…
> They're probably right that without making a profit, it's impossible to afford... This doesn't begin to make sense to me. Nothing about being a non-profit prevents OpenAI from raising money, including by selling goods and services at a markup. Some sell girl-scout cookies, some hold events, etc. So, you can't issue equity in the company... offer royalties. Write up a compensation contract with whatever formula the…