> we felt it was against the mission for any individual to have absolute control over OpenAI This has to be a joke, right? I'd like to think Altman paused for a second and chuckled to himself after writing - or reading - that.
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OpenAI and Elon Musk
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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#462Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…
by "betray", you mean they pivoted?
To "pivot" would merely be to change their mission to something related yet different. Their current stance seems to me to be in conflict with their original mission, so I think it's accurate to say that they betrayed it.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#463Two thoughts after reading the article:
1. The post depicts properly the need of ownership from Elon Musk, but it misses the point of the Open Source Mission that OpenAI had when being created. And therfore, it misses the main point of the lawsuit.
2. It feels like the writing is assisted by OpenAI itself.
Am I the only one thinking that the strategy of the post (and maybe the contents) are completely guided by their algorithm?
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
E-mail has *not* been killed long ago (aside some issues trying to run your own server and not getting blocked by gmail/hotmail). It is under threat now, due to the increased sophistication of spam.
Email might already be 'culturally dead' though. I guess my nephew might have an email address for the occasional password recovery, but the idea of actually communicating over email with other humans might be completely alien to him ;) Similar in my current job btw.
But yourr nephew likely also uses TikTok, right? Not everthing the young do is a trend others should follow.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#465Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ypu onoy have collegues like that? Sounds quite toxic.
You have colleagues that would continue to work if they no longer got paid? Rats jump ship in an individualistic system, in a collectivist system you expect the rats to sacrifice themselves to save the whole. Managers often tries to sell you on the collective so you work harder and demand less pay, but that is just him as an individual trying to get more out of you that doesn't mean it actually works like a collectiv…
I have collegues who care about their work quality, and the impact their work has in their colleuges work. In short, they care about more than just a pay check and increasing that pay check. Like in non-selfcentered egomaniacs.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#466Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ypu onoy have collegues like that? Sounds quite toxic.
You have colleagues that would continue to work if they no longer got paid? Rats jump ship in an individualistic system, in a collectivist system you expect the rats to sacrifice themselves to save the whole. Managers often tries to sell you on the collective so you work harder and demand less pay, but that is just him as an individual trying to get more out of you that doesn't mean it actually works like a collectiv…
I think it's more comparable to say "You have colleagues that would continue to work even if they got a better paying job offer?". A purely individualistic mindset would take whatever gets them more money for less hours. Someone staying despite that must have some sort of collectivist mindset that is non-financial qualities of life. Be it the company, the peers, the problem space, etc.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#467Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because something is not dangerous to the user doesn’t mean it can’t be dangerous for others when someone is wielding it maliciously
What kind of damage can you do with a current day llm? I’m guessing targeted scams or something? They aren’t even good hackers yet.
Targeteted Spam, Reviewbombing, Political Campaigns
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#468Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fake revenge porn, nearly undetectable bot creation on social media with realistic profiles (I've already seen this on HN), generated artwork passed off as originals, chatbots that replace real-time human customer service but have none of the agency... I can keep going. All of these are things that have already happened. These all were previously possible of course but now they are trivially scalable.
Most of those examples make sense, but what's this doing on your list? > chatbots that replace real-time human customer service but have none of the agency That seems good for society, even though it's bad for people employed in that specific job.
the issue is "none of the agency". Humans generally have enough leeway to fold to a persistant customer because it's financially unviable to have them on the phone for hours on end. a chatbot can waste all the time in the world, with all the customers, and may not even have the ability to process a refund or whatnot.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#469Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have colleagues that would continue to work if they no longer got paid? Rats jump ship in an individualistic system, in a collectivist system you expect the rats to sacrifice themselves to save the whole. Managers often tries to sell you on the collective so you work harder and demand less pay, but that is just him as an individual trying to get more out of you that doesn't mean it actually works like a collectiv…
I think it's more comparable to say "You have colleagues that would continue to work even if they got a better paying job offer?". A purely individualistic mindset would take whatever gets them more money for less hours. Someone staying despite that must have some sort of collectivist mindset that is non-financial qualities of life. Be it the company, the peers, the problem space, etc.
Some people should really read up on Pawlow's pyramid. Money isn't everything...
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
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I don't really understand this view honestly, why should Grok be open sourced? When was Twitter called OpenTwitter and had a similar mission statement to OpenAI?
The parent post said if “Musk” cared, not Twitter. He also doesn’t have anything in the way of public shareholders to appease at Twitter anymore. Whether or not it’s a reasonable expectation is up for debate. But it is at least a congruent argument.
There’s a difference between developing and open sourcing models and technology and end user products though.