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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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You can start a little mom-and-pop store and get plenty of politics. No surprise a billion(s)-dollar company has politics. It's everywhere. I'm not going to claim that it's their openness that is allowing us to see it here, but in some companies it spills out in the open, in others it stays within the family, but there's always politics!

Yes but when the politics goes about destroying the company you have a real problem. See Apple in the 90's for instance.

Problems like being the company with the highest market cap in history for 13 years running!

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Has anyone else noticed the redactions have variable widths?

A little video of devtools:

https://customer-zppj20fjkae6kidj.cloudflarestream.com/e28e5...

I remember seeing techniques which could decode such redactions from PDFs. I don't know why the widths would be included unless it was intentional (stylistic, maybe? but it would be a bear to code), or perhaps exported from something like Adobe Acrobat.

Elon's email is one solid redaction block, while the email body is broken up into widths that don't seem to be consistent.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Bad as to the credibility of the image they tried to sell in the beginning. If we agree it's a for profit company, and all this 'Open' stuff is just PR, then yes - it's not looking bad. It's just business.

I hear people complain about the 'Open' a lot recently, but I'm not sure I understand this type of concern. Publications, for companies, are always PR and recruitment efforts (independent of profit or nonprofit status). I recall that OpenAI were very clear about their long term intentions and plans for how to proceed since at least February of 2019 when they announced GPT2 and withheld the code and weights for about…

I think the word “open” is sort of a misrepresentation of what the company is today. I don’t mind personally but I can also see why people in the OSS community would.

Now, I’m not too concerned with any of the large LLM companies and their PR stunts, but from my solely EU enterprise perspective I see OpenAI as mostly a store-front for Microsoft. We get all the enterprise co-pilot products as part of our Microsoft licensing (which is bartered through a 3rd party vendor to make it seem like all the co-pilot stuff we get is “free” when it goes on the budget).

All of those tools are obviously direct results of the work OpenAI does and many of them are truly brilliant. I work in an investment bank that builds green energy plants and sells them with investor money. As you might imagine, nobody outside of our sales department is very good at creating PowerPoints. Especially our financial departments used to a “joy” to watch when they presented their stuff on monthly/quarterly meetings… seriously it was like they were in a competition to fit the most words into a single slide. With co-pilot their stuff looks absolutely brilliant. Still not on the level of our sales department, but brilliant and it’s even helped their presentations not last 90 million years. And this is just a tiny fraction of what we get out of co-pilot. Sure… I mostly use it to make stupid images of ducks, cats, and space marines with wolf heads for my code related presentations, and, to give me links to the right Microsoft domination I’m looking for in the ocean of pages. But it’s still the fruits of OpenAI.

Hell, the fact that they’re doing their stuff on Azure basically means that a lot of those 10 Microsoft billion are going directly back to Microsoft themselves as OpenAI purchases computing power. Yet it remains a “free” entity, so that Microsoft doesn’t run into EU anti-trust issues.

Despite this gloom and doom with an added bit of tinfoil hat, I do think OpenAI themselves are still true to their original mission. But in the boring business sense in an enterprise world, I also think they are simultaneously sort of owned by the largest “for enterprise” tech company in the world.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Well, the Manhattan project springs to mind. They truly thought they were laboring for the public good, and even if the government let them wouldn’t have wanted to publish their progress. Personally I find the comparison of this whole saga (deepmind -> google —> openai —> anthropic —-> mistral —-> ?) to the Manhattan project very enlightening, both of this project and our society. Instead of a centralized government…

The comparison is dumb. It wasn’t called the “open atomic bomb project”

Exactly. And the OpenAI actually called it "open atomic bomb project".

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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This looks bad for OpenAI (although it's been pretty obvious that they are far from open for a long time). But it looks 10x worse for Elon. At least for the public image, he desperately try to maintain. > As we discussed a for-profit structure in order to further the mission, Elon wanted us to merge with Tesla or he wanted full control. > In late 2017, we and Elon decided the next step for the mission was to create a…

The difference is OpenAI had a reputation to protect, Musk can't sink any lower at this point, and his stans will persist. The fact that they slinging mud at each other just proves the mutual criticism though, and provides an edifying spectacle for the rest of us.

> Musk can't sink any lower at this point, and his stans will persist.

You sure about that ?

For now they are largely looking away (and boy it's hard !) from his 'far right' adventures. But it was just reported that he met with Trump. And it's pretty clear that if Trump is elected and does cancel EV subsides as he says he will do, Tesla is dead and he knows it.

So now, we have both of those guys, having something each other wants - Trump wants Musks money now, and Musk wants ... taxpayer money once Trump is elected. I bet, Musk reputation can and will go much much lower in coming months.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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“Dont be evil” ring any bells?

Google is a for-profit, they never took donations with the goal of helping humanity.

They started as a defence contractor with generous “donation” from DARPA. That’s why i never trusted them from day 0. And they have followed a pretty predictable trajectory.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Collectivism involves deciding for others. If it’s fully voluntary it’s individualism. Working together is not collectivism.

So everyone in OpenAI or google decides for themselves what they want to work on and is detached from hierarchies?

Collectivism says there is one collective, if you are allowed to go and found a new collective then that isn't collectivism any longer.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Seems pretty straightforward... Elon invested when they claimed to be an open-source non-profit, and clearly now are closed source and very for profit. The notion that the for profit is just a temporary means to achieve scale goals is laughable.

It is like Google's 'don't be evil' slogan. OpenAi proved to be anything but Open.

Don't use their models. As a paid member I am fine with it.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

> To some extent, they may be right that open sourcing AGI would lead to too much danger. That's clearly self-serving claptrap. It's a leveraging of a false depiction of what AGI will look like (no ones really knows, but it's going to be scary and out of control!) with so much gatekeeping and subsequent cash they can hardly stop salivating. No strong AI (there is no evidence AGI is even possible) is not going to be a…

Networking is a thing, so the software can remotely control hardware.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Why would anyone even be under the impression that Elon would be pursuing some higher truth or a noble goal by this suite ?

This response is comical and ironically proves Musk's point that OpenAI is just a profit seeking organization structured in a way to masquerade as a non profit to doge taxes.

Basically a clever scheme by Sam, he gets to have his cake and eat it too this way and probably everyone at the leadership level is congratulation themselves for being so brilliant.

Look here, the truth is that they have been caught with their pants down and now are just attempting to back peddle.

I understand why they won't budge because if they do, they will lose all their scam marketing tactics and Nonprofit status.

Let's hope other AI models catch up quickly, I'm rooting for OSS to take over this field entirely like UNIX did with.

Oh, also, before you lecture me about the "threat of AI", maybe give me a chat bot that can do basic math first.

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