why respond?
its afraid
OpenAI and Elon Musk
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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
I should also note that the wild west was not at all lacking in a set of ethics, and in many ways was far stricter than the east at the time.
I think the contrast is that strict behavior norms in the West are not governed behavior norms in the East. One arises analogous with natural selection (previous commenter's take). The other through governance. Arguably, the prior resulted in a rebuilding of government with liberty at its foundation (I like this result). That foundation then being, over centuries, again destroyed by governance. In that view, we might…
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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#233Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…
> They're probably right that building AGI will require a ton of computational power, and that it will be very expensive.
Why? This makes it seem like computers are way less efficient than humans. Maybe I'm naive on the matter, but I think it's possible for computers to match or surpass human efficiency.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#234Everyone should leave OpenAI and form a new entity. Problem's solved. Key partners would resign the key contracts they have.
Leave the whole “Open” part behind for good so we can stop talking reading and hearing about it.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
What has failed are completely "collectivist" or "individualist" societies. Societies that balance the two (like the post WWII US) are the ones that have advanced their standard of living the most.
such as?
Read my post, I said the US in the post-WWII period, and really reaching back to the New Deal.
Also, most Western European societies.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google is a for-profit, they never took donations with the goal of helping humanity.
"Don't be evil" was codified into the S-1 document Google submitted to the SEC as part of their IPO: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288776/000119312504... """ DON’T BE EVIL Don’t be evil. We believe strongly that in the long term, we will be better served—as shareholders and in all other ways—by a company that does good things for the world even if we forgo some short term gains. This is an important aspect…
Yes, there they explain why doing evil will hurt their profits. But a for profits main mission is always money, the mission statement just explains how they make money. That is very different from a non-profit whose whole existence has to be described in such a statement, since they aren't about profits.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#237Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…
> here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betray it. you are assuming that their core mission is to "Build an AGI that can help humanity for free and as a non-profit", the way their thinking seems to be is "Build an AGI that can help humanity for free" they figured it was impossible to achieve their core mission by doing it in a non-profit way, so they went wit…
The problem of course is that they frequently go back on their promises (see they changes in their usage guidelines regarding military projects) so excuse me if I don't believe them when they say they'll voluntarily give away their AGI tech for the greater good of humanity
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#238Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…
> they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits
If donors are unwilling to continue making sustained donations, they would have died. They only did what they needed to to stay alive.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
>they may be right that open sourcing AGI would lead to too much danger. I think this part is proving itself to be an understandable but false perspective. The hazard we are experiencing with LLM right now is not how freely accessible and powerfully truthy it's content is, but it is precisely the controls upon it which are trying to be injected by the large model operators which are generating mistrust and a poor und…
> but it is precisely the controls upon it which are trying to be injected by the large model operators which are generating mistrust and a poor understanding of what these models are useful for. Citation needed. Counterpoints: - LLMs were mistrusted well before anything recent. - More controls make LLMs more trustworthy for many people, not less. The Snafu at Goog suggests a need for improved controls, not 0 control…
> More controls make LLMs more trustworthy for many people, not less. The Snafu at Goog suggests a need for improved controls, not 0 controls.
To whom? And, as hard as this is to test, how sincerely?
> The American culture wars are not global. (They have their own culture wars).
Do people from places with different culture wars trust these American-culture-war-blinkered LLMs more or less than Americans do?
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
The emails clearly show that Elon had no interest on this being a non profit. Especially because he advocated for OpenAI to be absorbed by Tesla multiple times. The only reason he is suing is because xAI is dead and he needs some AI love.
Is xAI dead? I thought he is very much invested in Grok.
xAI is not dead