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Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by mycatislenin »

roenxi wrote: post #455
Isinlor wrote: post #354

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On the basic premise EU is working wonderfully. It's the longest period in our thousand years history that we Poles have not had to fight Germans. We have lost maybe even 1/3 of population in wars with Sweden, 1/5 of population in war with Germany. Poland didn't exist or 123 years under Russian, Prussian and Austrian occupation. Given that as a baseline, I'm really grateful for the EU.

Maybe I'm about to display my ignorance, but until 1990 wasn't Poland under the USSR's umbrella? And the US was all but occupying Germany until ... it is almost possible to make that claim up to today. There are 50k US troops in Germany and 60k in the German army. That and the Southwestern Europeans being broken like twigs after WWII. I don't think it is the EU that is keeping the peace; I reakoon it is the Haber pro…

Indeed. You're displaying your ignorance.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by nojvek »

Apple is a bully. It is a bully well because it needs to show growth. Without growth their stock get hit and the leadership feels pain.

Apple is in a tough position. It is losing market share in China to Huawei. The Chinese economy is feeling the pinch and they are spending less.

EU is hitting them with fines.

In US they aren’t growing much. The Vision Pro was a dud.

The easiest option is to be a bully.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by throw10920 »

kerkeslager wrote: post #159
paulsutter wrote: post #48

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Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

There are two systems at play when you see a cookie warning: 1. Businesses trying to violate your privacy. 2. A government trying to protect you from said businesses. Either of these entities could avoid the cookie warning, but there are very different reasons why they do not.

> 1. Businesses trying to violate your privacy

This is false. The GDPR does not mandate privacy - the GDPR mandates the protection of certain kinds of personal data, much of which (e.g. IP addresses) has legitimate reasons for being collected (e.g. abuse protection). Claiming that every business that shows a cookie warning is trying to violate your privacy is not only objectively false, but extremely intellectually dishonest - although that's about par for the course for GDPR enthusiast zealots.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by throw10920 »

try_the_bass wrote: post #312
carlosjobim wrote: post #216

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If you use government websites within EU countries, most of them have cookie warnings. And a large part of them also use dark patterns to "forget" that you selected "only necessary" cookies each time you visit.

I'm pretty sure it's less "dark patterns" and more "remembering your preference isn't 'necessary'". Which, technically, it isn't.

> I'm pretty sure it's less "dark patterns" and more "remembering your preference isn't 'necessary'".

> Which, technically, it isn't.

That's still a dark pattern, because by definition, dark patterns aren't illegal - just barely legal, and detrimental to the consumer.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by throw10920 »

yourusername wrote: post #92
paulsutter wrote: post #48

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Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

I actually like them. It's eye opening when a a website wants to share your data with their 283 partners.

I'd much rather have a properly-enforced GDPR (see the modified version of the US's CAN-SPAM act, and in particular the near-universal presence of one-click and two-click "unsubscribe" links on commercial email) that actually gives me a one-click opt-out.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by throw10920 »

kerkeslager wrote: post #162
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #111

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Any lawmaker with an ounce of foresight would have recognized the pervasive cookie banners as the logical consequence of the law. If you give companies an easy copy-and-paste way to get around a single regional law then they will do the quickest dumbest thing possible to get what they want no matter who the visitor is and where they're located. The EU laws are poorly conceived, poorly written, and now we all have to…

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> Let's be real, the GDPR banners are far less annoying than the ads that HNers love to defend.

"Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by smoldesu »

tatersolid wrote: post #470
smoldesu wrote: post #319

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I have, and I didn't hear one of them complain when USB-C iPhones were released worldwide.

I am an iPhone-only person complaining! The physical USB-C connector sucks . They wiggle loose, stop connecting properly after just months of use, and are more delicate. I have 10-year-old lightning cables that still work great in my kid’s 6-year-old handed-down iPhone. Meanwhile I have been through multiple USB-C cables that last only months, fall out of the ports easily, and can’t be used to charge or even physical…

Those are good reasons to be mad. It's a shame Apple refused to submit Lightning to USB-IF, licensed the connector design, and then added additional DRM on top of the license fee.

They did a good job with Thunderbolt in the past, hopefully they get the memo and take a similar road in the future. It would really suck if future conveniences get blocked because Apple ignored the standardization process.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by codingcodingboy »

xdennis wrote: post #299
bojan wrote: post #253

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Why would it be ridiculous, if a truck has a Bulgarian license plate it's a reasonable expectation that it's based in Bulgaria.

In a "free" market why would a Bulgarian be forced to operate only near Bulgaria? As an example, all food in Romania is from the Netherlands or other foreign countries. But you don't see the EU imposing regulations to make foreign food more expensive. Essentially eastern Europe is an exploitation market: everything is manufactured in the west, and when the east has an advantage it's immediately shut down. This is als…

> As an example, all food in Romania is from the Netherlands or other foreign countries.

Why?

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by Sammi »

massysett wrote: post #81
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

What amazes and perplexes me is that Apple thinks it can effectively play politics against the EU and that somehow their customers will back them in the face of the "consequences" Apple applies, which are pretty transparent and really quite amateurish (eg no more web apps for you!). As the article states, the first mistake Apple makes is thinking the EU is somehow like the US, but I can't see how any large proportion…

“brainwashed” Distrust of government, and the limiting of its powers, is an American founding principle. It has resulted in federalism, separation of powers, a Constitution that protects property rights, and a Bill of Rights. This skepticism of government stemmed from the lived experience of the founders. That this founding principle still permeates American thinking and American life is something I would call cultur…

"federalism, separation of powers, a Constitution that protects property rights, and a Bill of Rights."

These things exist in the EU. Are you sure you are not brainwashed?

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by Sammi »

ttoinou wrote: post #330
Beretta_Vexee wrote: post #74

A common mistake is to think that the EU is limited to a few large economies (Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Holland), but this is not the case. Ensuring that a Croatian SME can win contracts with the French or Germans is one of the EU's priority objectives. This is how the EU has lifted millions of people out of poverty. This is a very tangible reality. It worked with East Germany, Spain, Poland, the Baltic States a…

The EU made us all poorer, it hasn't lifted many out of poverty

The data disagrees with you.

Eu gdp 2013: 11,516.141 billion euro

Eu gdp 2023: 15,907.189 billion euro

39.58% increase

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union

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