All that's laid bare here, is the carcass of their personalities.
None of this screams "I'm going to change this world", this organization is mired in politics from the start, no wonder Satya is hedging his bets.
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OpenAI and Elon Musk
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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#12Elon Musk's antics have been utterly shameless. a) If he cared at all about altruism, humanity etc he would open-source Grok and allow anyone access to the Twitter dataset. b) He talks all about AGI in relation to Tesla but then used it as a weapon to try and extract more control over the company from investors.
I don't really understand this view honestly, why should Grok be open sourced? When was Twitter called OpenTwitter and had a similar mission statement to OpenAI?
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#13Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do.
Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betray it.
They're probably right that building AGI will require a ton of computational power, and that it will be very expensive. They're probably right that without making a profit, it's impossible to afford the salaries 100s of experts in the field and an army of hardware to train new models. To some extent, they may be right that open sourcing AGI would lead to too much danger. But instead of changing their name and their mission, and returning the donations they took from these wealthy tech founders, they used the benevolent appearance of their non-profit status and their name to mislead everyone about their intentions.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#14> We couldn’t agree to terms on a for-profit with Elon because we felt it was against the mission for any individual to have absolute control over OpenAI.
I think Musk’s lawsuit is without merit, but it’s laughable in light of what happened with the recent leadership struggle to include this bit.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#15They redefined the open in OpenAI in an almost Orwellian way.
Not particularly surprising, given the last few months of activity at OpenAI.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#16> we felt it was against the mission for any individual to have absolute control over OpenAI
Unless that individual is Sam Altman?
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#17I don't care much about OpenAI === open-source as long as OpenAI === open the AI pandora's box to everyone.
Compare:
- Google open-sourced many models but sat on the transformers paper for 5 years and never released a product like ChatGPT for the masses.
- OpenAI didn't open-source GPT-4 but made it available to basically everyone.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#18> As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in OpenAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science (even though sharing everything is definitely the right strategy in the short and possibly medium term for recruitment purposes).
That is surprisingly greedy & selfish to be boasting about in their own blog.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#19I'm surprised they would publish this honestly. Especially considering that they're in a lawsuit.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#20> Elon understood the mission did not imply open-sourcing AGI. As Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...”, to which Elon replied: “Yup”. Wow the most open OpenAI has ever been is when someone sue them. On the other hand, th…
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