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It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

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Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#11
A lot of people, including the author of this article, seem to think it's unfair that Mozilla is not giving equal complaint time to both platforms. That's the fundamental issue here.

Maybe, all things being equal, that would be a fair complaint but all things are not equal.

First of all, the limitations of iOS and app store are well known and retread at least once a month on HN since the site opened. Mozilla certainly did complain about iOS years ago and decided ultimately to abandon the platform. We're talking about Windows now because Windows 8 is due to be released.

Secondly, Firefox's primary platform is Windows and they already have working version of Firefox for Windows 8 with a Metro UI for x86. Only a minor technical limitation keeps them from releasing it for ARM -- that's not true of iOS.

Lastly, there is a still a chance Microsoft might cave on this issue. We know from years of experience that Apple won't.

Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#12
post #6

FF's entire existence is based on a hate of Microsoft, so it only makes sense. That's why they're taking it up the butt from Google Chrome, Mozilla does not know how to deal with them. Nor do they particularly care that much about it, it seems (other than switching to increasing the version number every 2 months).

There is so much wrong with every word you oddly decided to type.

EDIT: Seriously, HN? _I_ am sitting below zero? gm's obnoxious, fact-deficient, "up the butt" spiel is where HN is going now? How ignorant.

Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#13
Windows 8 is the natural successor to Win7 and XP. It's the next version of the most popular desktop OS in the world. As with Windows 7 and OSX, it should run whatever the hell the machine's owner wants it to.

iOS is a locked-down, consistent, homogeneous user experience on specialty devices that should not be and are not marketed as replacements for computers. Apple Store employees will specifically advise against purchasing an iPad as a primary computer.

If Apple tried to tell me what I can and cannot run on OSX, I'd be pissed. On mobile, I currently have a choice between superior UX (iOS) and freedom (Android), which are at this stage in the game somewhat mutually exclusive (part of the iPhone's appeal is that There Is One And Only One Right Way To Do It).

For the record, I run Android, but I still want to the option to select a higher quality product if I'm willing to sacrifice what Android does better (turn by turn directions and physical keyboard on the Droid 3).

Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#14

Considering that Apple hasn't been legally ruled to be an illegal monopoly and Microsoft has, the faux-righteous-indignation in the headline completely backfires.

Apple also has a lot more...vocal (dare I say 'zealous'?) followers trying to quell criticism. Those very same people will however gladly take every stab they can at Microsoft.

(I think both companies deserve every bit of criticism for trying to repeat history all over again...)

Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#15
post #6

FF's entire existence is based on a hate of Microsoft, so it only makes sense. That's why they're taking it up the butt from Google Chrome, Mozilla does not know how to deal with them. Nor do they particularly care that much about it, it seems (other than switching to increasing the version number every 2 months).

There is so much wrong with every word you oddly decided to type. EDIT: Seriously, HN? _I_ am sitting below zero? gm's obnoxious, fact-deficient, "up the butt" spiel is where HN is going now? How ignorant.

You're being down voted because you didn't say anything. HN users hate that even more than complaining.

Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#16

A lot of people, including the author of this article, seem to think it's unfair that Mozilla is not giving equal complaint time to both platforms. That's the fundamental issue here. Maybe, all things being equal , that would be a fair complaint but all things are not equal. First of all, the limitations of iOS and app store are well known and retread at least once a month on HN since the site opened. Mozilla certain…

Post-lastly: there's the simple point that Firefox for Windows is an actual product that could be shipped near-immediately. There is no Firefix for iOS, precisely because Apple has never allowed it.

I think the broad point is valid though: Apple's platform control is no more morally justified than Microsoft's. And at least in the abstract they deserve equal scorn. But the specifics here are that Windows 8 on ARM won't run an app that can clearly be shipped (and will be for x86). That's a problem with a reasonable hope of being fixed, so it makes practical sense for Mozilla to whine about that first.

Post-post-lastly: it bears mentioning that if Safari was as bad as IE, Apple might draw more fire. It helps a lot to have a browser that doesn't lag the state of the art.

Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#17
post #6

FF's entire existence is based on a hate of Microsoft, so it only makes sense. That's why they're taking it up the butt from Google Chrome, Mozilla does not know how to deal with them. Nor do they particularly care that much about it, it seems (other than switching to increasing the version number every 2 months).

> FF's entire existence is based on a hate of Microsoft

As a student of history I'm sure you are aware that Mozilla (the name and the code base) predated Internet Explorer. I think you meant to say that Internet Explorer's only reason for existing was that Microsoft feared Netscape.

Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is so much wrong with every word you oddly decided to type. EDIT: Seriously, HN? _I_ am sitting below zero? gm's obnoxious, fact-deficient, "up the butt" spiel is where HN is going now? How ignorant.

You're being down voted because you didn't say anything. HN users hate that even more than complaining.

I'm cool with the downvotes, and appreciate the reason. All I petition is that gm's fanboy rhetoric gets the attention it deserves, which is a nuking from orbit.

Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#19

Windows 8 is the natural successor to Win7 and XP. It's the next version of the most popular desktop OS in the world. As with Windows 7 and OSX, it should run whatever the hell the machine's owner wants it to. iOS is a locked-down, consistent, homogeneous user experience on specialty devices that should not be and are not marketed as replacements for computers. Apple Store employees will specifically advise against p…

> that should not be and are not marketed as replacements for computers.

Interestingly several of my non-technical friends have taken on iPads as full time replacements for laptops. They only used them to read the news, facebook or watch netflix the iPad does literally everything that they previously had laptops for.

> If Apple tried to tell me what I can and cannot run on OSX, I'd be pissed.

I think the distinction that Microsoft is going for here is Win8 arm = tablets = iOS, Win8 x86 = laptops = OSX. By your argument there should be no problem with them locking it down then.

Re: It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it

#20

Windows 8 is the natural successor to Win7 and XP. It's the next version of the most popular desktop OS in the world. As with Windows 7 and OSX, it should run whatever the hell the machine's owner wants it to. iOS is a locked-down, consistent, homogeneous user experience on specialty devices that should not be and are not marketed as replacements for computers. Apple Store employees will specifically advise against p…

WinRT is to Windows 8, as iOS is to OS X.
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