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Re: Meta outage

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Post by ipaddr »

ceejayoz wrote: post #618
rimunroe wrote: post #551

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> I don't really trust Down Detector, which despite the claims is really People Winging on Twitter Detector. I'm confused. Isn't listening for spikes in complaints about outages a great way to detect them? I know for a fact some service companies monitor social media channels for this purpose (among others). I'd be surprised if that wasn't more or less standard practice. I've checked Down Detector for ISP outages in…

> Isn't listening for spikes in complaints about outages a great way to detect them? When there's a major ISP outage, people report problems with all the major sites. When Facebook's down, people report problems with any site that has "Login with Facebook" as an option. It's almost never actually an outage impacting all of FAANG at once.

You can't login to snapchat, tiktok, youtube with your facebook

Re: Meta outage

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Post by TulliusCicero »

oven9342 wrote: post #756
citrusybread wrote: post #644

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can we really call it standalone if you need it to phone home to Meta? and doesn't it require an account one of their services too? they did a fantastic job with hardware. I just wish they didn't couple the software so tightly.

I wonder how many people are secretly boycotting the product because of the prison Reputation of the maker

Oh there are definitely people who avoid it because it's made by Meta. Maybe a bunch. On the other hand, it seems to be the most popular VR headset line by a wide margin.

It would be cool if Valve came out with a standalone headset, they're one of the few companies I can see that would be in a good position to do that: they already have a good amount of VR experience with one high-end headset + SteamVR APIs + a couple VR games, they have their own highly popular store/platform, they generally have a positive reputation with gamers, and they have a decent amount of hardware experience in general including the recent Steam Deck for mobile gaming hardware specifically.

And of course, a Valve headset would probably be significantly more open than the Quest. The Steam Deck has gotten some good reputation among more FOSS/hacker-oriented people for being fairly open: you can use it in a regular Linux desktop mode, you can install Windows (or presumably other OSes) on it, it's fairly repairable, etc. The default behavior is very console-like, but it's not very locked down if you don't want it to be. Best of both worlds, really.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by TulliusCicero »

ipaddr wrote: post #759
TulliusCicero wrote: post #712

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> can we really call it standalone if you need it to phone home to Meta? Yes.

This doesn't work anywhere without internet service. Standalone it is not.

Not true. You can turn off the wifi and the headset works fine.

The current problems sound like a server-side bug while it phones home. But usually it can work fine without internet.

Standalone just means the VR compute is happening on the headset itself, not on a console or gaming PC the headset is tethered to. Of course, most of the people disputing "standalone" already know that, they're just playing definitional games.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by agar »

docmars wrote: post #700
citrusybread wrote: post #644

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can we really call it standalone if you need it to phone home to Meta? and doesn't it require an account one of their services too? they did a fantastic job with hardware. I just wish they didn't couple the software so tightly.

It makes me wonder how the world would be if monitor manufacturers did the same thing, it would be unacceptable. I view VR headsets and their peripherals as no different than a mouse, keyboard, and display. Companies requiring all this nonsense to use your device, put in that light, is ludacris.

> I view VR headsets and their peripherals as no different than a mouse, keyboard, and display

That could be valid when VR headsets were tethered to a PC via a DisplayPort or HDMI connection and essentially mirrored the display.

The Quest is closer to an iPhone or Android phone or an all-digital handheld gaming device. With integrated compute, display, battery, text input, pointing devices, mic, and speakers, it bears little functional resemblance to peripherals like a mouse, keyboard, or display with no utility unless slaved to another device.

Considering I can use my Quest with no wifi or other network to log in (once initial set up is complete), it seems that the Meta back-end APIs must have broke in some way that confused the headsets into thinking they were available when they weren't.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by ceejayoz »

ipaddr wrote: post #761
ceejayoz wrote: post #618

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> Isn't listening for spikes in complaints about outages a great way to detect them? When there's a major ISP outage, people report problems with all the major sites. When Facebook's down, people report problems with any site that has "Login with Facebook" as an option. It's almost never actually an outage impacting all of FAANG at once.

You can't login to snapchat, tiktok, youtube with your facebook

Yes, those are all just Down Detector’s bog standard false positives.

Pull the page up tomorrow and you’ll see the same morning spike there as people wake up.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by joecool1029 »

tomrod wrote: post #599
yreg wrote: post #585

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That's difficult to believe to be honest. I get it several times a week.

I get something like that when I try to comment and then upvote too quickly.

There's a manual rate limit that can be assigned to your account if you post frequently on controversial topics. Afaik once it's there it stays until removed by a moderator.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by nine_k »

zer00eyz wrote: post #754
nine_k wrote: post #745

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People casually doing things that feel slightly evil is... disconcerting. Not going to judge anyone, but also nothing to be happy about.

There is a point where you learn that everything is some sort of moral compromise. There is always going to be someone ahead of you and someone behind, it means someone is always going to get left out. No system changes that, or makes it better, just different.

No system indeed, only your own choices.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by xp84 »

fmsf wrote: post #292

I was considering buying the Quest 3 this morning, this outage is timely. The fact that I can't use my perfectly working headset to play an offline game because facebook is down, makes me wonder if I should go for a different provider. Any recommendations? Excluding apple vision pro since it is too expensive.

imho this is a stance you certainly have every right to take, but good luck. If you want to be part of the world of things like VR, smartphones, etc. then refusing (on principle) to participate in things like "accounts" and "cloud" is going to cost you far more time than the number of hours a massive company like Meta may have downtime. Likewise, yes, at some undetermined future date a lot of this hardware will become a complete doorstop due to their supporting servers being taken offline, however again, if you are doing this advanced gadget thing, it'll be long after you would have decided to upgrade to new hardware anyway because it can't do any of the latest stuff.

(and yes, there are ways if you're devoted enough, to roll your own everything and run Linux on a Framework laptop, and use some kind of custom ROM on your phone without Google anything, 3d print yourself a VR headset, etc. But all of this will cost you several orders of magnitude more time than Meta outages ever would.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by pests »

randunel wrote: post #668
randomnumber314 wrote: post #608

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>Facebook: global daily active users 2023. >Statista https://www.statista.com › statistics › facebook-global-dau Feb 9, 2024 — During the fourth quarter of 2023, the number of daily active users on Facebook reached 2.1 billion, a minor increase on the previous quarter. So roughly 28% of the planet.

Facebook accounts != individual humans.

Even if half that, still crazy, no?
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