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The parent's comment is about how it quite literally is not a standalone headset, as is currently being demonstrated.

It is a standalone headset. You don't need a tethered gaming PC or console for the Quest series of headsets.

I thought that too, but it seems like you need a tethered cloud PC somewhere at meta to open apps after all.

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You are absolutely correct. That would be a much better experience. That said, getting there strikes me as pretty challenging. Automatically detecting a down state is difficult and any detection is inevitably both error-prone and only works for things people have thought of to check for. The more complex the systems in question, the greater the odds of things going haywire. At Meta's scale, that is likely to be nearl…

> That said, getting there strikes me as pretty challenging. Automatically detecting a down state is difficult and any detection is inevitably both error-prone and only works for things people have thought of to check for. The more complex the systems in question, the greater the odds of things going haywire. At Meta's scale, that is likely to be nearly a daily event. Well, in principle, the frontend just has to dist…

Yes, assuming the responses are usefully different, accurate, and you get responses in a timely manner.

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I could not play a steam game on a PC in offline mode when my internet was down. This issue is not exclusive to fb.

Doesn't Steam still offer an offline mode that works with most games?

In my experience, the Steam offline mode only works if your computer is actually offline (without any network connection); if you're connected to the local network but the Internet connection from your router is down, it still tries to connect to the authentication servers while starting up.

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Anyone have a good guesstimate of how much money is "lost" when Youtube/Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp (more?) are down each minute?

A hell of a lot less than when they are up.

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> When there's a major ISP outage, people report problems with all the major sites. When Facebook's down, people report problems with any site that has "Login with Facebook" as an option. Yes? That's how all top-level reporting is going to work. It's not going to tell you which part of your service is inaccessible. It's just telling you that people can't access it. You obviously have to do additional investigation to…

> It's not going to tell you which part of your service is inaccessible. Scroll up the thread a bit; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39605354 Even here on HN, where people should know better, people take its incorrect attribution as useful info. TikTok isn't down. X isn't down. Google isn't down.

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> When there's a major ISP outage, people report problems with all the major sites. When Facebook's down, people report problems with any site that has "Login with Facebook" as an option. Yes? That's how all top-level reporting is going to work. It's not going to tell you which part of your service is inaccessible. It's just telling you that people can't access it. You obviously have to do additional investigation to…

> It's not going to tell you which part of your service is inaccessible. Scroll up the thread a bit; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39605354 Even here on HN, where people should know better, people take its incorrect attribution as useful info. TikTok isn't down. X isn't down. Google isn't down.

I would completely agree that people are bad at interpreting Down Detector-type results, but that doesn't mean it isn't providing a very useful signal.

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I have a very tangential question to this situation prompted by some conspiracy theories linking the outage to today being Super Tuesday election day in the US.

Why does Facebook need sharing news media or political ad targeting on its platform from a business point of view? Am I being naive or is it really such an important revenue driver to the business or the core experience of the app?

I think it is the source of enormous reputational damage and risk, that if I was running the company I would even happily trade 10% if not more of the market cap to removing any feature that enables news sharing on the platform.

Actually if you remove these two things (political ad targeting and commenting on news media) I struggle to find any other issue that would make facebook a "political" target, they can literally shutdown the fake news division that employs 10,000 people...

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I was considering buying the Quest 3 this morning, this outage is timely. The fact that I can't use my perfectly working headset to play an offline game because facebook is down, makes me wonder if I should go for a different provider. Any recommendations? Excluding apple vision pro since it is too expensive.

There may be a bug or change since I left, but I built the app library and authorization logic, and it was explicitly designed to work offline. Of course, using it day-to-day and initial setup are different and I'd imagine if Apple is down it's hard to setup an AVP as well.

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It is a standalone headset. You don't need a tethered gaming PC or console for the Quest series of headsets.

I thought that too, but it seems like you need a tethered cloud PC somewhere at meta to open apps after all.

Only because there's a bug, seems like. Normally you can turn off your wifi entirely and the headset continues to work fine. Tried disconnecting entirely in a non-standalone headset and see how that works out for you.

Standalone just means you don't need to tether to a PC or console.

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Maybe post your password to Twitter or something. Let it escape into the wild, where it can be observed in its natural state.

I know your intention is to help, but please don't share your FB password (if that wasn't obvious already lol). Letting randoms log into your FB account will just have massive consequences with your friends and family thinking it's you talking to them etc.

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