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Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by ahofmann »

SEJeff wrote: post #26
ahofmann wrote: post #22

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You're angry in the wrong direction. It is not their fault that you, or someone in your company, didn't read their TOS. Hetzners service is cheap, this attracts bad actors. In their eyes you are a bad actor and according to their TOS they're right. I, as a customer of Hetzner, are happy about how they deal with people abusing their services.

We read their ToS. Our lawyers read their ToS. It has a vague “we can kick you off if we choose to” part, but removing service with no recourse was not ok. So we told them we would sue them if they didn’t give us access to shred sensitive data and they relented.

This is the sentence, in Hetzners ToS, that you're referring to: "In the case of non-compliance, we are entitled to lock your access to the Service and/or to your account." Source: https://www.hetzner.com/de/legal/terms-and-conditions/#16

If your lawyers thought that this line means something different than "don't use crypto, mining, etc. we will lock you out", you should change/sue your lawyers. This is a clear as it gets, I see zero fault on Hetzners side.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by mnahkies »

vegardx wrote: post #9
vmfunction wrote: post #8

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They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

Wild guess: They use significantly more electricity than the average customer that does just about anything else with their hardware. The GPU can easily run at hundreds of watts, and when you add in the required cooling you're probably at 1.5-2x that in total power usage.

What implication does this have for AI workloads - the computation intensity would be similar? (Assuming a popular service saturating the machines)

I see some other comments mentioning ssd wear which I don't think would apply to AI stuff, but the utilisation/power consumption certainly would.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by edmundsauto »

shaism wrote: post #34
sgift wrote: post #21

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> It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. Legally? Well, they probably have a "if we think you do something we don't like we can kick you off" clause. Ethically? Eh .. Crypto. Ethical. Opinions differ.

I am not a big fan of crypto either, but don’t understand why crypto (the technology itself) would be unethical. Could you explain?

Energy use that doesn't deliver concrete value to the world. Mostly just speculators and gambling, but uses a a couple hundred TWh of electricity worldwide.

Yes yes I know, some applications are lower energy usage but parent comment is asking about the ethics of crypto in general.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by zrn900 »

edmundsauto wrote: post #44
shaism wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a big fan of crypto either, but don’t understand why crypto (the technology itself) would be unethical. Could you explain?

Energy use that doesn't deliver concrete value to the world. Mostly just speculators and gambling, but uses a a couple hundred TWh of electricity worldwide. Yes yes I know, some applications are lower energy usage but parent comment is asking about the ethics of crypto in general.

> Energy use that doesn't deliver concrete value to the world

How is that any different from fast trading computers producing 'wealth' by juggling inflated derivatives and 'generating' water vapor value from hot air...

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by ajimix »

Cryptoanti wrote: post #39
shaism wrote: post #34

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I am not a big fan of crypto either, but don’t understand why crypto (the technology itself) would be unethical. Could you explain?

I don't know any working thing using crypto in a way that it acutally make sense and couldn't be already be done easier and similiar safe. Even in big companies you always see examples which break the technology like creating something on the blockchain which has a connection to the real world.

Try to send some big amount of money internationally and you will see why crypto is the future. With regular banks it takes days, weeks and many times months due to intermediate banks, AML questions, reviews, etc and have very high costs associated for simple transfers of money hardly earned.

With cryptocurrencies it takes seconds or minutes and no questions asked with very low fees

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by snypher »

edmundsauto wrote: post #44
shaism wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a big fan of crypto either, but don’t understand why crypto (the technology itself) would be unethical. Could you explain?

Energy use that doesn't deliver concrete value to the world. Mostly just speculators and gambling, but uses a a couple hundred TWh of electricity worldwide. Yes yes I know, some applications are lower energy usage but parent comment is asking about the ethics of crypto in general.

Wait until you find out what we do with all the water.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by sgift »

zrn900 wrote: post #46
edmundsauto wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Energy use that doesn't deliver concrete value to the world. Mostly just speculators and gambling, but uses a a couple hundred TWh of electricity worldwide. Yes yes I know, some applications are lower energy usage but parent comment is asking about the ethics of crypto in general.

> Energy use that doesn't deliver concrete value to the world How is that any different from fast trading computers producing 'wealth' by juggling inflated derivatives and 'generating' water vapor value from hot air...

I don't think these are ethical either.
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