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Re: Meta outage

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Post by munk-a »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #658
d00nut wrote: post #646

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Steam Index is great if you don't care about cords / needing a PC. Easy to do VRchat, IRacing, or even blade & sorcery game sessions for 3-4+ hours without any eye strain, headaches, motion sickness, or discomfort from the headset. It also fits over / around glasses Biggest reason not to IMO is of the rumors around an "index2".

Seconded, I think . I've been very happy with my Valve Index, but I don't know how it compares to newer headsets on the market. More broadly, I find that Valve represents my interests far more than Facebook/Meta does. So I'd much rather send my money to Valve.

I'll third this - Valve is really unobtrusive about the steam related features of the index. It does have some requirements with steam for setup but if you want to run a local binary and mess around with dev tools it's extremely easy to do. It's also extremely well sealed and designed - I tend to sweat a lot and a few times I've been beat sabering for quite a while without any long term damage to the headset.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ceejayoz wrote: post #655
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #647

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> Nothing in the API or OAuth flow would make that doable in an automatic fashion with this outage. It'd have to be something you put up manually as a banner after hearing of the outage. That is fair: if I choose to architect my site such that a user-critical feature goes down when a 3rd party service goes down, it behooves me to monitor the 3rd party service and do whatever necessary to properly inform users what's…

All that's fine, but totally misses the point. Take a look at https://downdetector.com/status/aws-amazon-web-services/ ; scroll down to the comments. "SSH and Dbconnect stopped on all of my EC2 instances. Anyone else?" "I can't add a payment method" The chart shows a big spike this morning, but there was no AWS outage, nor does Amazon use Facebook login. Again, DownDetector can be a useful "is something unusual happe…

Ignore the comments on DownDetector for a moment and check out that huge spike in reports recently. Clearly something wrong happened with AWS's user experience. That's something AWS needs to resolve, in the eyes of their users.

>The chart shows a big spike this morning, but there was no AWS outage

Are you sure? If hundreds of users simultaneously reported there was some sort of outage, particularly a huge spike like we saw, chances are there was an outage.

>Again, DownDetector can be a useful "is something unusual happening right now" signal

Exactly! Specifically, "is something unusual happening right now with my site, in the eyes of my users?" Every site owner should know when that condition is true. What you think about your site "up-ness" isn't as important as what your users think about your site "up-ness". What you attribute your downtime to, isn't as important as what your users attribute your downtime to (you.)

Re: Meta outage

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Post by IggleSniggle »

bonton89 wrote: post #669
idle_zealot wrote: post #640

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I can confirm that I was unable to use my Quest 3 this morning. I left it connected to the internet, it tried to phone home I guess, and then locked itself into a "please connect this headset to your Meta account" state. I am so sick of companies "selling" computers that they continue to control. In what universe does Meta have the right to remotely lock my headset and prevent me from using it to run the software I i…

I can understand your frustration but were you not aware of the software lock in when you bought it? I'm not defending the ownership erosion, but I avoided these things specifically because of who was selling it and how it was locked to them.

Not OP but I bought a Rift when it was still just Oculus.

...then Facebook bought Oculus...

...and then required you to have a Meta account to continue using the Oculus drivers.

It's a real "boil the frog" strategy and this is still early days for VR in terms of realized market value. The time to push back on this bullshit is yesterday. As we can all see, nobody can compete with Meta on price with the Quest 3, but the cost to purchase is heavily subsidized by the expected futures.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by IggleSniggle »

dartos wrote: post #346
practice9 wrote: post #329

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Unless it's a recent change, it works perfectly fine offline (wifi turned off). As for alternatives, there is Pico, but Quest 3 may be superior in games selection. Or go wired which is of course less portable

I think you need to be online for the first setup of the headset, otherwise it won’t work at all.

Yes. You login first, and then it completes device setup. At least, that's how it works for the Rift.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by ceejayoz »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #702
ceejayoz wrote: post #655

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All that's fine, but totally misses the point. Take a look at https://downdetector.com/status/aws-amazon-web-services/ ; scroll down to the comments. "SSH and Dbconnect stopped on all of my EC2 instances. Anyone else?" "I can't add a payment method" The chart shows a big spike this morning, but there was no AWS outage, nor does Amazon use Facebook login. Again, DownDetector can be a useful "is something unusual happe…

Ignore the comments on DownDetector for a moment and check out that huge spike in reports recently. Clearly something wrong happened with AWS's user experience. That's something AWS needs to resolve, in the eyes of their users. >The chart shows a big spike this morning, but there was no AWS outage Are you sure? If hundreds of users simultaneously reported there was some sort of outage, particularly a huge spike like…

> Clearly something is going on with AWS's user experience.

But that's not the case. It's a false positive.

Pick a DownDetector service and open the page every day for a few days. You'll see it most of the time just reflects people waking up in the US timezones.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by hyuuu »

docmars wrote: post #700
citrusybread wrote: post #644

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can we really call it standalone if you need it to phone home to Meta? and doesn't it require an account one of their services too? they did a fantastic job with hardware. I just wish they didn't couple the software so tightly.

It makes me wonder how the world would be if monitor manufacturers did the same thing, it would be unacceptable. I view VR headsets and their peripherals as no different than a mouse, keyboard, and display. Companies requiring all this nonsense to use your device, put in that light, is ludacris.

comparing it with a monitor is rather unfair, you have to bundle the computing along with it, not to mention the applications to make it an actually fair comparison. At that point, is it still ludacris?

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Post by _yb2s »

plorkyeran wrote: post #632
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #173

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These 1 percent of edge cases take so much effort to test and handle though.

A smartphone having a flakey internet connection isn't an edge case.

Exactly, it's a daily thing for users- it's only an edge case for the developers, because they are likely developing and testing with hard wired high speed connections.

Re: Meta outage

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Post by callalex »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #695
YeBanKo wrote: post #678

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I could not play a steam game on a PC in offline mode when my internet was down. This issue is not exclusive to fb.

Doesn't Steam still offer an offline mode that works with most games?

It does offer an offline mode. It does NOT work with most games, because the publishers literally can't help themselves but add more layers of DRM on top of steam DRM and most of those these days require always online connections.
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