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> Isn't listening for spikes in complaints about outages a great way to detect them? When there's a major ISP outage, people report problems with all the major sites. When Facebook's down, people report problems with any site that has "Login with Facebook" as an option. It's almost never actually an outage impacting all of FAANG at once.
That's kinda the point though isn't it? DownDetector is showing an early indication of a major outage in both of your examples. The issue may not be caused by the indicated service, but it's still a useful information source especially when we can correlate reports on there with what we are seeing in our internal monitoring.
Its attribution of what/who is often incorrect. You'll see "maybe it's more than Big Site X!" comments come up on every HN thread like this citing DownDetector; it's almost never the case, and folks on HN should know better.
I was considering buying the Quest 3 this morning, this outage is timely. The fact that I can't use my perfectly working headset to play an offline game because facebook is down, makes me wonder if I should go for a different provider. Any recommendations? Excluding apple vision pro since it is too expensive.
The Quest 3 is kind of the obvious mainstream consumer choice for a VR headset. Standalone wireless headset, reasonably powerful chipset, can optionally stream from a PC either wired or wireless, good optics/resolution, decent controllers/tracking, large game library, large suite of features (including hand tracking and color passthrough), all for a reasonable price. Not sure any other headset really competes on all…
they did a fantastic job with hardware. I just wish they didn't couple the software so tightly.
It logged me out and told me that my credentials were incorrect; I thought my credentials had been stolen, so I'm kinda personally glad that it seems to be happening to a lot of other people too. I know that's a bit selfish, but :shrug:
Anyway, when FB thought my password was wrong I calmed way down. I thought maybe FB corrupted their password DB or something, so I just tried to reset my password, got into an odd workflow loop, and then quacked "downdetector facebook".
I was considering buying the Quest 3 this morning, this outage is timely. The fact that I can't use my perfectly working headset to play an offline game because facebook is down, makes me wonder if I should go for a different provider. Any recommendations? Excluding apple vision pro since it is too expensive.
It also fits over / around glasses
Biggest reason not to IMO is of the rumors around an "index2".
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> When Facebook's down, people report problems with any site that has "Login with Facebook" as an option. If users log into your site with Facebook, then the login functionality of your site effectively is down when "Login with Facebook" is down. From the user's perspective, your subcontractors, including authentication subcontractors, are a problem for you to deal with and never show them. From your perspective, you…
> If users log into your site with Facebook, then the login functionality of your site effectively is down when "Login with Facebook" is down. There are plenty of sites where "Login with Facebook" is a convenience but hardly the only way to log in. Reddit, for example, has "Login with Google" and "Login with Apple"; it would be highly misleading to claim "Reddit is down" if Google's OAuth flow was having an outage. >…
That is fair: if I choose to architect my site such that a user-critical feature goes down when a 3rd party service goes down, it behooves me to monitor the 3rd party service and do whatever necessary to properly inform users what's going on.
I edited my post unfortunately after you replied, but another option is removing the parts of your site that rely on 3rd parties, if you don't want the failures of those 3rd parties to reflect poorly on you (which they reasonably would).
>we're talking about why DownDetector isn't necessarily ideal for assessing. It can be a useful signal, in some scenarios, but I've seen plenty of spurious signals come from it.
Indeed, and if a bunch of users say that a feature of your site is down, even if it's a result of a 3rd party failure: chances are, that part of your site is down, and it's partially your fault for relying on a 3rd party for that feature. The users correctly don't care what the root cause is, they expect you to either mitigate it or don't have a feature they rely upon be unreliable.
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> Yeah, it's wild that it's now treated as an authoritative source, especially by some news organizations. > It's as good as asking a neighbor what happened with a loud noise down the street. Sometimes you'll get something good, sometimes it'll be completely wrong. Asking my neighbors if they know what some loud noise was or about some local disturbance has been extremely reliable in my experience. The one time someo…
You must have an exceptional neighborhood. Everywhere I lived, here's a handy map of "actual cause" :: "what the neighbors said it was" Car exhaust :: gunshot Appliance delivery truck liftgate :: gunshot Transformer explosion :: gunshot Garbage truck :: gunshot 787 at 25000ft :: complete ruining of peace and quiet Any police activity :: probably someone robbed a bank For the record, my city has (statistically indisti…
One time I heard a loud boom. A few hours later I saw a neighbor outside and asked if he'd heard it and if he knew what it was. He told me a house a few neighborhoods over had exploded. I was a bit skeptical of it but he turned out to be right.
I was considering buying the Quest 3 this morning, this outage is timely. The fact that I can't use my perfectly working headset to play an offline game because facebook is down, makes me wonder if I should go for a different provider. Any recommendations? Excluding apple vision pro since it is too expensive.
As an individual, this is pretty confusing. I don't have much to lose. I am glad I spent 10-15 bucks on favorite 2-3 posts only. I can imagine many others to be more affected. What is normally to be expected for SME users? Does Meta resume the ads automatically? Do they make good for the lost time since the clock seems to be ticking -- although no one saw any impression.
Edit: I submitted a ticket to Instagram Help and they responded by asking for a screencast video. The first time I sent, the video bounced. I have re-sent this by trimming the video.
Out of curiosity I want to know firsthand how Meta handles the small customers.