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Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by tichiian »

SEJeff wrote: post #24
tichiian wrote: post #19

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Your fault for not reading their ToS: https://www.hetzner.com/de/legal/terms-and-conditions/ number 8.1 in the German version, number 4 in the English one: "Furthermore, the operation of applications for mining cryptocurrencies is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, mining, farming and plotting of cryptocurrencies. In the case of non-compliance, we are entitled to lock your access to the Service and/or…

Their ToS did not reference blockchain at the time. This is why our lawyers got involved. This was updated after they caused an outage unannounced for a service running almost four years. Google actually offers blockchain rpc. Fwiw, Solana nodes run poorly in the cloud and generally only make sense on bare metal. As far as slow distributed databases go (aka blockchains), it’s 1000x+ faster than the ethereum style blo…

Ah, if that is new, then you are right, that's probably a breach of contract on their side.

Cloud doesn't necessarily mean virtual machines with scheduling and sharing problems. You can get non-shared machines with almost all popular cloud platforms, e.g. https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/compute-optimized-mach... Of course those aren't cheap.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by neoromantique »

SEJeff wrote: post #28
gosub100 wrote: post #16

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My guess is it's a huge liability if keys are stolen, and it puts a huge target on their back from people around the world who want to steal crypto keys or DDoS crypto systems.

Most of the Hetzner DdoS come from gaming fyi. They’re pretty good at handling them but we’d get paged every few months due to this. Our uptime is better since we left hetzner. We went with a host that’s more commonly used for electronic trading firms, Teraswitch. They’re great.

Thanks for recommendation, we are looking to move our servers off Hetzner for precisely the same reasons.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by shaism »

sgift wrote: post #21
SEJeff wrote: post #13

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They stated that AFTER they just cut the network access to the hosts. It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. We were running rpc nodes for legit applications and a validator to secure the network. For me, who’s worked in 50,000+ bare metal Linux environments before, it was just so surprising how sudden and violent it was. Their customer support was amazing until it wasn’t. Just let it b…

> It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. Legally? Well, they probably have a "if we think you do something we don't like we can kick you off" clause. Ethically? Eh .. Crypto. Ethical. Opinions differ.

I am not a big fan of crypto either, but don’t understand why crypto (the technology itself) would be unethical.

Could you explain?

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by lutoma »

SEJeff wrote: post #30
DonHopkins wrote: post #15

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Yeah, that’s definitely not what we were doing buddy. Keep the politics out of this please. We don’t accept any customer money either for this usage. Zero. Those nodes secured the network and were also used for analysis of hacks and forensic incident response. We work a lot with the US FBI btw. We’re trying to prevent literally all the things you just mentioned, so no need to be jerk here buddy.

> Keep the politics out of this please

Apart from how nonsensical it is to want to "keep politics" out of inherently political discussions: Your last comments on hacker news were about US trade policy, Navalny's treatment by Russia and the development of fringe political groups in the EU.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by stouset »

SEJeff wrote: post #27
Croftengea wrote: post #18

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Many hosters banned all kind of crypto after advent of file coins, which wear out ssds too quicky.

Indeed. Some bad actors (which is most of the industry) ruin it for those of us who just want to build cool tech. Very annoying.

You know what they say, a bunch of bad apples spoils the few.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by DonHopkins »

SEJeff wrote: post #30
DonHopkins wrote: post #15

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Yeah, that’s definitely not what we were doing buddy. Keep the politics out of this please. We don’t accept any customer money either for this usage. Zero. Those nodes secured the network and were also used for analysis of hacks and forensic incident response. We work a lot with the US FBI btw. We’re trying to prevent literally all the things you just mentioned, so no need to be jerk here buddy.

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Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by SEJeff »

lutoma wrote: post #35
SEJeff wrote: post #30

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Yeah, that’s definitely not what we were doing buddy. Keep the politics out of this please. We don’t accept any customer money either for this usage. Zero. Those nodes secured the network and were also used for analysis of hacks and forensic incident response. We work a lot with the US FBI btw. We’re trying to prevent literally all the things you just mentioned, so no need to be jerk here buddy.

> Keep the politics out of this please Apart from how nonsensical it is to want to "keep politics" out of inherently political discussions: Your last comments on hacker news were about US trade policy, Navalny's treatment by Russia and the development of fringe political groups in the EU.

The conversation was not about views on blockchain. The conversion was hetzner decided a client running several hundred nodes was suddenly running afoul of the ToS after running happily almost four years and they cut off all access without any notification. They then updated their ToS to clarify this was not allowed, but they happily took our money for four years and we built out a fair bit of tooling on this.

We do DFIR and security. Do you even know anything about digital forensics? It’s not a “bad” thing to investigate hacks and work with law enforcement to recover funds. It’s necessary as not everyone is a crook or thief.

So yes, I think it’s entirely reasonable to keep conversations on hacker news on topic and not inject politics where the conversation is not about politics. Obviously the cases you mentioned are inherently about politics so that’s a nice straw man you beat up there. Congratulations sir.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by Cryptoanti »

shaism wrote: post #34
sgift wrote: post #21

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> It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. Legally? Well, they probably have a "if we think you do something we don't like we can kick you off" clause. Ethically? Eh .. Crypto. Ethical. Opinions differ.

I am not a big fan of crypto either, but don’t understand why crypto (the technology itself) would be unethical. Could you explain?

I don't know any working thing using crypto in a way that it acutally make sense and couldn't be already be done easier and similiar safe.

Even in big companies you always see examples which break the technology like creating something on the blockchain which has a connection to the real world.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by Cryptoanti »

SEJeff wrote: post #13
vmfunction wrote: post #8

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They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

They stated that AFTER they just cut the network access to the hosts. It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. We were running rpc nodes for legit applications and a validator to secure the network. For me, who’s worked in 50,000+ bare metal Linux environments before, it was just so surprising how sudden and violent it was. Their customer support was amazing until it wasn’t. Just let it b…

Honestly hetzner was never the 'high end / high quality' cloud provider for me.

They have decend hardware and infra but no encryption on rest and everything else a real business requires (certifications etc.).

But i'm so dismissive about all shitty crypto because no one ever showed me a good use case, as others said, i think its great that hetzner has this tos.

-So what do you actually do?- forget about it, finance got it...

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