Tangential, did anybody find a mechanism so that "you placed an order", "your order is shipped", "your order is delivered" is sent in same conversation?
It's Time to Give Up on Email
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Re: It's Time to Give Up on Email
#22Over the past two years I've been working on a business in Vietnam and one of the (many) frustrating things I've had to adjust to is that other businesses don't respond to email here. It's my automatic response when I need information from a business to check their website for the email address and shoot them a quick email. What happens in Vietnam when I do this: silence... Unless the business happens to be run or ma…
It's because in many developing countries, phones are their only computers. They don't have a laptop. Therefore, quick messages is the preferred way over writing formal, formatted, long emails.
So we need something like XMPP that is as easy to set up as WhatsApp or Messenger and still uses an e-mail like address? I think a way to deal with spam is to issue a proof of work challenge to the sender.
Re: It's Time to Give Up on Email
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not so fast. I still read about a dozen newsgroups.
Ok. I believe you. Are the newsgroups in the room with us right now?
Yep. I click on this icon in my MintLinux panel and voila!
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Re: It's Time to Give Up on Email
#24Over the past two years I've been working on a business in Vietnam and one of the (many) frustrating things I've had to adjust to is that other businesses don't respond to email here. It's my automatic response when I need information from a business to check their website for the email address and shoot them a quick email. What happens in Vietnam when I do this: silence... Unless the business happens to be run or ma…
It's because in many developing countries, phones are their only computers. They don't have a laptop. Therefore, quick messages is the preferred way over writing formal, formatted, long emails.
> It's because in many developing countries, phones are their only computers
Do you really think that people who work in offices in developing countries don't have computers?
For sure there are many people here for whom their phone is their only computer. But those are not the people I am emailing.
Besides, for it's development level, Vietnam is a well educated and fairly high tech country, especially in the cities. According to this site, PC ownership is similar to Greece at around 10 per hundred people, but I am sure if you could filter by just the large cities it would come out as much higher:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/computers...
Re: It's Time to Give Up on Email
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's because in many developing countries, phones are their only computers. They don't have a laptop. Therefore, quick messages is the preferred way over writing formal, formatted, long emails.
> It's because in many developing countries, phones are their only computers Do you really think that people who work in offices in developing countries don't have computers? For sure there are many people here for whom their phone is their only computer. But those are not the people I am emailing. Besides, for it's development level, Vietnam is a well educated and fairly high tech country, especially in the cities.…
Well, how else can you explain why you don't get replies via email in Vietnam and most businesses prefer to use chat?
Why don't you take a crack at explaining it.
Re: It's Time to Give Up on Email
#26Techies discussing Twitter: “Open source, unmoderated, federated protocols are always superior, it’s time to get rid of Twitter, I hate Elon, etc.”
Techies discussing email: “What a crazy and insane Wild West, outdated, insecure and hard to use, we need to move on”
Re: It's Time to Give Up on Email
#27Techies discussing Twitter: “Open source, unmoderated, federated protocols are always superior, it’s time to get rid of Twitter, I hate Elon, etc.” Techies discussing email: “What a crazy and insane Wild West, outdated, insecure and hard to use, we need to move on”
Generalizing people into "techies" doesn't necessarily mean individuals have inconsistent opinions.
Re: It's Time to Give Up on Email
#28Techies discussing Twitter: “Open source, unmoderated, federated protocols are always superior, it’s time to get rid of Twitter, I hate Elon, etc.” Techies discussing email: “What a crazy and insane Wild West, outdated, insecure and hard to use, we need to move on”
Generalizing people into "techies" doesn't necessarily mean individuals have inconsistent opinions.
Ok would it help you if I replaced “techies” with the names of my friends and coworkers who you probably don’t know?
Re: It's Time to Give Up on Email
#29Techies discussing Twitter: “Open source, unmoderated, federated protocols are always superior, it’s time to get rid of Twitter, I hate Elon, etc.” Techies discussing email: “What a crazy and insane Wild West, outdated, insecure and hard to use, we need to move on”
There’s nothing inconsistent about believing open protocols are better and still believing a specific open protocol is not better.
Especially when that specific protocol is a 40+ year old one created when the creators couldn’t even imagine the world we live in right now and has barely changed since then precisely because it has been so successful.
Re: It's Time to Give Up on Email
#30Techies discussing Twitter: “Open source, unmoderated, federated protocols are always superior, it’s time to get rid of Twitter, I hate Elon, etc.” Techies discussing email: “What a crazy and insane Wild West, outdated, insecure and hard to use, we need to move on”
There’s nothing inconsistent about believing open protocols are better and still believing a specific open protocol is not better. Especially when that specific protocol is a 40+ year old one created when the creators couldn’t even imagine the world we live in right now and has barely changed since then precisely because it has been so successful.
I think federated protocols are better too, but Mastodon is literally replicating many of the problems with email one-for-one:
- identity management is hard - you place lots of trust in the admin - it’s hard(-ish) to pick up your data and move - it’s very hard to pick up your identity and move - you technically can host it yourself but only a few diehards are going to bother - moderation is mostly up to you, except when you can’t talk to someone you need to because your admin decided to start a flame war with another admin and de-federate - E2EE is server specific - no way to tell yet but eventually 99% of users will likely coalesce around a handful of servers
The protocol though, it’s just better!
See also: plank in your own eye