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French artists in 1899 envisioned what life would look like in the year 2000

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Re: French artists in 1899 envisioned what life would look like in the year 2000

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I didn't realize that the underwater thing was so important back then. We are all thinking about flying cars, and these drawings don't disappoint, but there is as much happening underwater as it is happening in the sky. Now, we are still fascinated with flying, machines, etc... but going underwater is boring by comparison. We have submarines, mostly for the military, a bit of scientific exploration, etc... but beside…

>> the underwater thing was so important back then. Because, unlike outer space, the deep ocean was a magical and alien dimension that existed only feet away from everyone's doorstep, and the technology for getting there was under rapid development. Jules Verne's 20,000 LUTS came out only twenty years previous to this article. The artist may well have read it as as child.

Seems like a reasonable inference. Futurology, even before there was a name for it, seems to hinge on two important factors; immediate need vs convergence of technologies. This results in some admittedly anachronistic ideas, but seems like a pretty rational approach, none the less.

That the sea was not only accessible to a degree, but we also had hints of what was down there, would likely put that in the front of thinking minds as a problem solved in the near future, outer space being a bit less attractive of a mystery, since it was not obvious that resources could be gained from trying to go there.

I do often wonder what our current predictions of the future will look like five or six generations down the line. I'd like to think that we have a better grasp on problems that need solving or how technology will naturally combine to accomplish more work, but I bet the folks in the late 1800's thought they had a good grasp on that, too.

Re: French artists in 1899 envisioned what life would look like in the year 2000

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These pictures, 120 years old, look old and so different from current standards.

I like to think that in 100 years what seems modern will look the same to our descendants (if there is no event that brings us back to the Middle Ages).

Even today's science-fiction movies are limited by an imagination that is born from what we see around, including the ones with magic.

Re: French artists in 1899 envisioned what life would look like in the year 2000

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Chemical may be also translated something like medicinal - note the butler has tiny pills on his plate; it’s the “meal in a pill” that comes up now and then (famously in Willy Wonka).

That makes much more sense. Now I see that it's a plate of pills, with a woman's hair behind it. I thought it was a cupcake.

Here's the chef! https://the-public-domain-review.imgix.net/collections/a-19t...

Re: French artists in 1899 envisioned what life would look like in the year 2000

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Yeah, I do think the thing that will date most 20th century science fiction is that it usually has humans actively doing most things, like mining, piloting space ships, fighting battles, etc. When it seems more likely that almost all of that will be done by AIs, with humans directing them at best.

Regarding space sci-fi in particular, the image of a human manually piloting a space ship is iconic in both Western and Soviet fiction. Before the advent of real world human spaceflight era, it could be linked both to the lack of understanding of computers and other technical systems, along with the eternal popularity of the heroic explorer/captain/pilot archetype. However, even as public knowledge of space explorati…

It might still make sense to pilot a ship manually for landing or proximity operations.

Even deep space maneuvers can be done manually if you know what you are doing - point ship engines in right direction and thrust for right number of seconds/minutes.

Sure, for stuff like orbital launch, some crazier Oberth effect burns or continuous thrust propulsion (ion, solar sail) you definitely want computer control.

Re: French artists in 1899 envisioned what life would look like in the year 2000

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In 1899, the Eiffel Tower was 10 years old. Not only did it have lifts, it famously, notoriously had lifts. French futurist artists could hardly be more aware of the concept.

Ok I thought they were created around 1920 when skyscrapers started in NYC. Maybe that is wrong too. My apologies.

The Colloseum had approximately 25 elevators. Build year 80 AD.

Re: French artists in 1899 envisioned what life would look like in the year 2000

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This reminds me of this 1947 documentary [1] in French that imagined smartphones. Many scenes are surprisingly accurate. [1]: https://youtu.be/ZKfOcR7Qbu4

What it imagined is in fact a world where handled TVs would be a thing, based on a sci fi novel by Barjavel.

But yes those people all focused on their tv walking in the street /really/ look like current day smartphone users.

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I found more of these: https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/a-19th-century-vis...

"la correspondance cinéma-phono-télégraphique" was a good guess. That's exactly our modern video calls, except with smaller devices.

"La curiosité" is a good one too, most city kids are seeing a horse like they would see a lion

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This might be a better source, with all of the images. https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/a-19th-century-vis...

It is cool they realized that horses would now be curiosities and something people would see at events rather than an everyday thing. People turn their heads today when they see a horse drawn carriage.

Instead they have managed to enslave whale there.

Re: French artists in 1899 envisioned what life would look like in the year 2000

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Which makes me wonder what people in future will think about our science fiction media.

Which science fiction media? Is there any dream that is physically possible while unrealized? - Going to other galaxies: As opposed to flying, those are physically impossible, - 2100 utopia would be about ecology and people consuming less, not more, - When I was a kid, I used to dream about flying blades (drones) or minicomputer in our hands where would could read stuff of program. Today I don’t see a single thing th…

Talking about social relationships - I for long dreamed (fantasied) about device that lets to merge two and more people thoughts, memories, experiences.

Always wondered what would happen from it. And, I guess, maybe it's technically possible if we ever figure out how to read and write human brains/body chemistry?

Re: French artists in 1899 envisioned what life would look like in the year 2000

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Regarding space sci-fi in particular, the image of a human manually piloting a space ship is iconic in both Western and Soviet fiction. Before the advent of real world human spaceflight era, it could be linked both to the lack of understanding of computers and other technical systems, along with the eternal popularity of the heroic explorer/captain/pilot archetype. However, even as public knowledge of space explorati…

It might still make sense to pilot a ship manually for landing or proximity operations. Even deep space maneuvers can be done manually if you know what you are doing - point ship engines in right direction and thrust for right number of seconds/minutes. Sure, for stuff like orbital launch, some crazier Oberth effect burns or continuous thrust propulsion (ion, solar sail) you definitely want computer control.

For modern spacecraft such as Dragon capsule, almost all operations are completely automated by default: launch, landing, ISS docking. Manual overrides exist, but they are intended to be used only as a backup in case of a computer failure.

I can see an argument for manual landing on another cosmic body, given the famous story of Neil Armstrong saving Apollo 11 landing by manually landing the capsule. Though the latest generation of lunar landers can perform the procedure fully autonomously, using machine vision to find an optimal landing spot.

I tried looking up, whether manual or automated moon landing is planned for HLS program, but couldn't find anything specific. It's probably going to be some mix of both.

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