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Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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This presentation from the Long Now Foundation makes the proposition that drinking helps create society https://longnow.org/ideas/drinking-10000-years-intoxication-... > Drawing on evidence from archaeology, history, cognitive neuroscience, psychopharmacology, social psychology, literature, and genetics, Slingerland shows that our taste for chemical intoxicants is not an evolutionary mistake, as we are so often told.…

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> Why Do East Asian Firms Value Drinking? Lack of a history of Christian puritanism? America's historic relationship with alcohol was shaped by the loonies who fled there from Europe so they could left alone to practice their ascetic forms of Christianity. A lot of phenomena in Asia cannot be properly understood if you lose sight of the lack of Christianity. For instance, could you have a mainstream, pop-band consist…

East Asian countries aren't exactly known for their creative, sexual expression either

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I know I have my biases, cultural and otherwise, so I shouldn't say that one way is right and another is wrong, but... To me, this widely-acknowledged need to go get drunk with bosses, colleagues, and business associates in order to facilitate communication feels like a tacit admission that the reserved, low-confrontation, hierarchical communication styles are a hindrance, and that people would be better off being di…

> I know I have my biases, cultural and otherwise, so I shouldn't say that one way is right and another is wrong, but...

I think the point of acknowledging biases is to correct them, not give carte blanche to lean into them.

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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I avoid both coffee and refined sugar and then the list of alternatives really shrinks. Herbal tea is a good one of course, and in a bar one can often get pure apple juice.

Wait, why is sugar bad but apple juice okay?

placebos work

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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Wait, why is sugar bad but apple juice okay?

It’s not, it’s the same bad. Pediatricians try to drill this into parents.

Agreed. (And for some of us, whole apples also have too much sugar--as do most other fruits with whole raspberries and passionfruit being exceptions, and pureeing the raspberries or incorporating them into a smoothie is just as bad as juicing them.)

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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This presentation from the Long Now Foundation makes the proposition that drinking helps create society https://longnow.org/ideas/drinking-10000-years-intoxication-... > Drawing on evidence from archaeology, history, cognitive neuroscience, psychopharmacology, social psychology, literature, and genetics, Slingerland shows that our taste for chemical intoxicants is not an evolutionary mistake, as we are so often told.…

> My experience was before lived in Asia (USA only) I thought drinking was bad (bar fights, drunk driving deaths, etc...) Wow, I guess I just don't hang out with the same kinds of people you do (USA as well). I don't think I've ever witnessed a bar fight, and no one I know has been involved in a drunk driving crash (on either side of it). And yet I've done plenty of drinking (I don't remember much of my 30s because o…

Plus there should be some fraction of people, even in Japan, capable of talking frankly and directly to each other, without needing alcohol...

Or is that somehow discouraged too?

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Kombucha is my drink of choice, but it is fermented tea so if tea is out so is kombucha. The other options I can think of are are flavored seltzers/flavored water, Mocktails/virgin cocktails/Shirley Temples, agua fresca, non-alcoholic beer, and herbal tea. Availability varies, of course.

Another option: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvass

Nutritionally, kwas is just an eccentric kind of pop marketed to eastern Europeans. The modern mass-market stuff is even made the same way: syrup and forced carbonation.

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> My experience was before lived in Asia (USA only) I thought drinking was bad (bar fights, drunk driving deaths, etc...) Wow, I guess I just don't hang out with the same kinds of people you do (USA as well). I don't think I've ever witnessed a bar fight, and no one I know has been involved in a drunk driving crash (on either side of it). And yet I've done plenty of drinking (I don't remember much of my 30s because o…

Plus there should be some fraction of people, even in Japan, capable of talking frankly and directly to each other, without needing alcohol... Or is that somehow discouraged too?

I think the social norms are such that doing that while not specifically in a socializing event is low-class. Probably it's fine between peers in a blue-collar environment, or in high school.

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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This presentation from the Long Now Foundation makes the proposition that drinking helps create society https://longnow.org/ideas/drinking-10000-years-intoxication-... > Drawing on evidence from archaeology, history, cognitive neuroscience, psychopharmacology, social psychology, literature, and genetics, Slingerland shows that our taste for chemical intoxicants is not an evolutionary mistake, as we are so often told.…

I think it's less about alcohol and more about how individual cultures and society evolve and create third places. Alcohol can be part of that (such as in pubs or even Romans having engaged in a bit of drinking at the bathhouse) but you also had examples like coffee houses in the 17th century. I think the problem arises when the amount of third places available narrows to strictly a culture around drinking, which increasingly becomes the focus rather than the social aspect.

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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This presentation from the Long Now Foundation makes the proposition that drinking helps create society https://longnow.org/ideas/drinking-10000-years-intoxication-... > Drawing on evidence from archaeology, history, cognitive neuroscience, psychopharmacology, social psychology, literature, and genetics, Slingerland shows that our taste for chemical intoxicants is not an evolutionary mistake, as we are so often told.…

Isn't this obvious? Coffee and drugs either. Even if drugs were harmless for the health they could probably be prohibited because of the sudden changes a society will experience.
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